Chiefs Underclassmen QB's in the draft. - Page 6

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 02:09 PM

Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL.

Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity.

Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown.

Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round.

Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors.

I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police)

He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school.

He then hires his brother.

So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire?

I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter.

Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF?

Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez.

In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.

There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.

**doomy3** · 02-22-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The dumbshits might say that as the #3 overall, that he better be the savior, but they're the same fans that will throw their hands up and rail against management and decide to skip games because he was selected.

Do you really believe this, or are you exaggerating? I haven't seen one person say anything about this. In fact, the only people I have heard say they would rail management are the ones who said that if either Sanchez or Stafford is there, and we pass on them, then Pioli is a moron.

Reerun_KC · 02-22-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

This.

The problem is that there are a lot of these in the QB or bust crowd. It is a serious misconception to think that the only dumbshit fans are the ones who don't like one of these guys.

Either one of the QB's are worth investing in... Agree?

Neither will be the savior by they have the talent and potential to build a championship team around and give you 7-10 good years... And if they only win one superbowl or zero in that time frame, at least your building your team to make that leap into the top of the NFL for a 2-4 year period where you could actually compete for a championship...

Neither have to be the savior.... Only a tool would put unreal expectations on QB... But I would actually expect stupid expectations from some of this fanbase... They still long for Carl.

kstater · 02-22-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

No, actually, my true argument is that you need to pick a good player at #3, not a QB just because we all want a franchise QB.

So Sanchez is now, a rapist, immature, being taken advantage by his brother, and not a good player.

Just Passin' By · 02-22-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The dumbshits might say that as the #3 overall, that he better be the savior, but they're the same fans that will throw their hands up and rail against management and decide to skip games because he was selected.

Well, that's why you bring in the veteran stopgap. He serves both to mentor the young kid and to mollify the mob.

orange · 02-22-2009, 03:54 PM

I really don't understand the thinking behind drafting a QB at #3 just to have him sit. What's he going to learn by watching that wily veteran Tyler Thigpen?

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

This.

The problem is that there are a lot of these in the QB or bust crowd. It is a serious misconception to think that the only dumbshit fans are the ones who don't like one of these guys.

No, but I think you're misrepresenting some of the posters in this perceived crowd.

It's not QB or bust. It's just a realization that the overall top-tier talent in this draft is very, very weak, so you have to start to take away the prospects that just don't fit at all at that spot in the draft.

Couple this with the view of next year's class, which is important to consider when your franchise is as talent deprived as KC's is, and that's why you get the vocal supporters of the top two QB's.

It's not QB or bust. It's the conclusion of a more nuanced analysis.

Just Passin' By · 02-22-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

McNair was a decade ago. Rivers was a unique situation because Brees bounced back and Marty prefers veterans.

Heck, when Brees left, Marty still wanted him instead.

It isn't the 'plan' to have these guys ride the bench a year these days.

Was Palmer a decade ago?

Seriously, you're making your "side" of this argument look every bit as idiotic as the Sanchez ballwashing committee.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

McNair was a decade ago. Rivers was a unique situation because Brees bounced back and Marty prefers veterans.

Heck, when Brees left, Marty still wanted him instead.

It isn't the 'plan' to have these guys ride the bench a year these days.

Eli Manning sat for half a season before the Giants put him out there.

Jay Cutler sat for a year.

kstater · 02-22-2009, 03:56 PM

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Eli Manning sat for half a season before the Giants put him out there.

Jay Cutler sat for a year.

Rothlesbuger was planned to sit until the starter got hurt.

Reerun_KC · 02-22-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

It isn't the 'plan' to have these guys ride the bench a year these days.

Your right it isnt... You need to start building a foundation and experience. Just like the people who want Cassell, They didnt even know he exsisted until last year when he put up good stats with an ALL STAR supporting cast...

Now people would be willing to allow him to lead their franchise, but not a rookie who never played in the NFL...

ITs just fear of the unknown... Fear of trying....

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

yet people want someone like Curry to come in and save the defense...

There is a reason that teams put a premium on QB's. It is clearly the most important position on the field. It is also the one that requires the holder of the position to be the most mature, the best leader, and the most able to withstand criticism.

The same dumbshit fans that think a QB or bust is the way to go in this draft, will lay all the blame at his feet or give him all the credit.

The same fans who blame Tyler Thigpen for every loss, are the same ones that will view him as a savior.

If he wasn't the 'savior' then why are so many people so vehemently defending the guy?

Gotta run fellas, it's been real.

orange · 02-22-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Jay Cutler sat for a year.

I think you know better.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Your right it isnt... You need to start building a foundation and experience. Just like the people who want Cassell, They didnt even know he exsisted until last year when he put up good stats with an ALL STAR supporting cast...

Now people would be willing to allow him to lead their franchise, but not a rookie who never played in the NFL...

ITs just fear of the unknown... Fear of trying....

I don't want Casell. Just for the record.

I don't want Sachez either. I wish there was a franchise QB to draft at #3, just don't see one.

**doomy3** · 02-22-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Either one of the QB's are worth investing in... Agree?

Neither will be the savior by they have the talent and potential to build a championship team around and give you 7-10 good years... And if they only win one superbowl or zero in that time frame, at least your building your team to make that leap into the top of the NFL for a 2-4 year period where you could actually compete for a championship...

Neither have to be the savior.... Only a tool would put unreal expectations on QB... But I would actually expect stupid expectations from some of this fanbase... They still long for Carl.

No. I honestly don't believe Sanchez is. I have questions about him, and even though no one wants to look at history, there has never been a QB with his experience amount to anything in the NFL. He may be great, but there is a much higher percentage that he busts.

If Pioli/Haley thinks otherwise, then I will be the biggest Sanchez supporter, and hope that I am wrong.

Then you go back to more reeruned stuff that NO ONE has said, but just keep repeating it if it somehow makes you feel better, or if you think it's funny or something.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

Rothlesbuger was planned to sit until the starter got hurt.

Big Ben was also not a top five pick, nor a top 10 pick.

02-22-2009, 02:09 PM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Underclassmen QB's in the draft. Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL. Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity. Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown. Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round. Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors. I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police) He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school. He then hires his brother. So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire? I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter. Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF? Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez. In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know. There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.
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orange MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $10004900	I really don't understand the thinking behind drafting a QB at #3 just to have him sit. What's he going to learn by watching that wily veteran Tyler Thigpen?
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