Some Quick Things

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Was Fortson dinged up or just a gameday inactive?

Because the latter is a mistake, IMO. Especially when it was just so you could have the privilege of having TWO "Dave Toub Memorial Special Team Scrubs' on the roster. 3 if you count Cochrane.

I mean lord, do you REALLY need Kemp? FFS, stop acting like Gunner is as hard to play as ****ing QB is. Or as critical.

If you are hell bent on keeping Lammons on this team, you can't also be sitting guys like Fortson so you can play Kemp. It's getting unreasonable, IMO.

I thought Andy said he got hurt early in the SF game and had a contused thigh or something that he played through for the rest of the game. Maybe he was talking about someone else, but I thought he was talking about Fortson.

[Rainbarrel]

Kelce, JuJu and Noah's concentration on catching the ball on the last drive. Were awesomeness xxx. CEH had nice one earlier

[DJ's left nut]

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

I was willing to give Smith the benefit of the doubt early in the season that he was maybe playing hurt. I am starting to wonder if maybe last season was an outlier. Hopefully whatever is wrong gets fixed.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

That's probably why Wylie looked better last season. Smith was playing much better last season. Now they both stink and teams are learning how to use them against each other.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

That's probably why Wylie looked better last season. Smith was playing much better last season. Now they both stink and teams are learning how to use them against each other.

That's absolutely the case.

The two of them last year formed a solid pair on the right side. And they were very complementary.

Now they're the inverse of it.

It isn't just a Wylie thing. It isn't just a Smith thing. But both of them are making matters worse instead of better.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

Dunno how many of you read Seth Keysor's stuff on Substack, but he did a breakdown of the running game last week.

And man, Trey Smith got ****ing wrecked.

It seemed that way from the stadium. It sure seemed that way from the couch a day or two later, and a breakdown of the film pretty much closed the book on it.

Trey Smith has been a MAJOR problem this year. As bad as Wylie and far more damaging than Orlando Brown. If there were no long-term developmental problems arising from it and I could swap out one guy on this OL for an above average stand-in, it would be Smith. He's done more damage to this team than Wylie has.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dunno how many of you read Seth Keysor's stuff on Substack, but he did a breakdown of the running game last week.

And man, Trey Smith got ****ing wrecked.

It seemed that way from the stadium. It sure seemed that way from the couch a day or two later, and a breakdown of the film pretty much closed the book on it.

Trey Smith has been a MAJOR problem this year. As bad as Wylie and far more damaging than Orlando Brown. If there were no long-term developmental problems arising from it and I could swap out one guy on this OL for an above average stand-in, it would be Smith. He's done more damage to this team than Wylie has.

I don't know if I think he's been worse than Wylie, but I think your point is right that having both play poorly has compunded their individual poor performances - there's just been no hiding place or assistance.

If he's injured I'd sit him but otherwise I'm really not convinced you're getting more from Allegretti. Put Allegretti up against Simmons and that's going to be rough watching imo.

[dirk digler]

Shit happens but this feels like it should have been a win for Trey

Teach tape fill & tackle from Zach Cunningham against a high-level puller. pic.twitter.com/aJxPLRTHLb

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) November 7, 2022

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Shit happens but this feels like it should have been a win for Trey

Teach tape fill & tackle from Zach Cunningham against a high-level puller. pic.twitter.com/aJxPLRTHLb

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) November 7, 2022

Smith was in position to blow him up and just...whiffed...

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Smith was in position to blow him up and just...whiffed...

He had a head of steam and probably 80lbs on Cunningham and didn't even knock him off his spot.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

He had a head of steam and probably 80lbs on Cunningham and didn't even knock him off his spot.

Coulda just said 'this'

[Urc Burry]

I wouldn’t say it’s a MUST. But if I’m Veach I’m eating the 4 mil dead cap on MVS and putting his money towards Juju. He’s becoming a consistent zone beater, and you can tell him and Mahomes are developing a major chemistry. Something that no matter how good of a receiver you bring in you aren’t guaranteed to get

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Shit happens but this feels like it should have been a win for Trey

Teach tape fill & tackle from Zach Cunningham against a high-level puller. pic.twitter.com/aJxPLRTHLb

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) November 7, 2022

That play was designed for Smiths strengths and he lost the rep anyway. He has probably 80 lbs on Cunningham and got stood up. Gotta win that rep, man.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That play was designed for Smiths strengths and he lost the rep anyway. He has probably 80 lbs on Cunningham and got stood up. Gotta win that rep, man.

Easy reason, leverage. Smith has to get lower pulling around and was easy to stand up and move when the backer is able to get into his chest.