The Chiefs don't need an over priced FA to be better next year... - Page 7

|Zach| · 11:57 PM

Ok here it goes. Most of the board will disagree with me. Some will pass me off as an idiot homer...some will say I don't know anything about football and thats fine. I expect this from Chiefsplanet. I would be dissapointed actully if I don't hear things like that and I will be dissapointed if Laz doesn't put himself on the cross in yet another thread for not being a homer but...

I believe the Chief defense will be better next year and here is why I believe that.

They don't have to be that much better for this team to get to the place it wants to be. They didn't win the superbowl last year but I believe the Colts were just as good as any team in the NFL. During the game we only needed the Colts to punt once. One little punt and the offense and special teams could have put it together enough to win the game. They tore apart our defense like it was a complete joke and it was a complete joke. The Colts would line up and Manning would walk his happy ass to all those lineman and just call out plays. For some reason the defense never decided to move or audible at all. Nothing would change and we would pretty much show what we were going to do before the play. I don't care who is playing defense when you play like that you are going to get your ass kicked.

Not every player that is a FA is going to be an automatic upgrade. It seems to be a very popular opinion that "anyone else would be better than what we have." I think this is foolish I think we have a great CB in Eric Warfield. Did he get beat last year? Of course he did its the damn NFL and offense is taking over. Did make a lot of great plays also? Yes. I think he did.

The Chiefs will have a better defense next year if...

Ryan Sims plays up to his potential
The defense attacks with 11 men doing their jobs
Arm tackles are eliminated
The intensity comes back (alot of that passion comes from coaching)

I will be very worried about the Chiefs defense if...

Maslowski is our MLB
There isn't more rotating on the D Line to make use of our player's different strenghts
Chiefs Planet members get control of wheeling and dealing with the Chiefs and we sign an over priced Hugh Douglas type player

Predictions from the thread to the field

Eric Hick's will have a great season under Gunther's style of defense.
Vonnie Holliday will have an awful season and either get beat out in camp or replaced in the regular season
Mitchell if given the nod to start will be a solid player and fierce hitter in the middle for us. Gunther has a knack for developing talent at the LB position.
William Bartee will play well in a limited roll for the Kansas City Chiefs
In the coming years Julian Battle will become the best Chiefs CB since James Hasty

Coogs · 05-14-2004, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Most players have said that after the Minny game Robinson changed up stuff so frequently that there was mass confusion. Throw rookie inexperience in that mix and that's gas on fire.

Yep!

htismaqe · 05-14-2004, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Given his recent history, I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing...I have to wonder what the deal is. Franchised by Philly, within months they drop the tag and he signs with Washington only to be released the following year.

Michael Barrow (born 04/19/1970) beat him out for the MLB spot in Washington. THAT is what the deal is...

MrBlond · 05-14-2004, 11:48 AM

Personally, I'm not worried about our LBs or our DTs. I think all of ours, starters and backups, are either good or have the potential to be better.

CBs and DEs are another matter, imo. I think that with the exception of Battle and Wilkerson (who are both on the bottom of the depth charts) are as good as they are ever going to get.

Overpriced FAs? I don't have any problem not bringing in some.

Same exact cast with a new director? I'm a little concerned.

keg in kc · 05-14-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBlond

CBs and DEs are another matter, imo. I think that with the exception of Battle and Wilkerson (who are both on the bottom of the depth charts) are as good as they are ever going to get.

I have the same concern, although more at corner than end. I still can't comprehend the level of leniency shown towards Bartee, who has shown absolutely nothing in four years as a pro. I thought Vincent would have been a nice fit as a short term addition, but I also thought he used us and maybe we were never really in the running. I guess the best hope is that Battle has developed enough to play the nickel, because, for me at least, the book on Bartee is closed. McCleon concerns me, as well. In the perfect world, we'd have found a starter in free agency which would enable us to relegate him to the nickel.

htismaqe · 05-14-2004, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I have the same concern, although more at corner than end. I still can't comprehend the level of leniency shown towards Bartee, who has shown absolutely nothing in four years as a pro. I thought Vincent would have been a nice fit as a short term addition, but I also thought he used us and maybe we were never really in the running. I guess the best hope is that Battle has developed enough to play the nickel, because, for me at least, the book on Bartee is closed. McCleon concerns me, as well. In the perfect world, we'd have found a starter in free agency which would enable us to relegate him to the nickel.

That pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

**Manila-Chief** · 05-15-2004, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Given his recent history, I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing...I have to wonder what the deal is. Franchised by Philly, within months they drop the tag and he signs with Washington only to be released the following year.

Raises plenty of questions to me. And if he got beat out of his position then that raises another question ... how good is he????

**J Diddy** · 05-15-2004, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Manila-Chief

Raises plenty of questions to me. And if he got beat out of his position then that raises another question ... how good is he????

which raises another question, in comparison how good are our linebackers.

**Manila-Chief** · 05-15-2004, 12:49 AM

Agree! but how do we do that in this forum? I was all for him coz we need an upgrade but the fact he got cut raises serious questions. So, if CP doesn't bring him in I'll understand!!!!

**J Diddy** · 05-15-2004, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Manila-Chief

Agree! but how do we do that in this forum? I was all for him coz we need an upgrade but the fact he got cut raises serious questions. So, if CP doesn't bring him in I'll understand!!!!

I have it. I'll play a season of madden with him on our roster and a season without. Then we shall know.

philfree · 05-15-2004, 02:02 AM

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Given his recent history, I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing...I have to wonder what the deal is. Franchised by Philly, within months they drop the tag and he signs with Washington only to be released the following year.

He's a cap casulaty. No big thing IMO. As far as Barrow beating him out I think Barrow was just signed by the Skins this offseason. We prolly won't make a move for Trotter but you never know.

PhilFree

**Rausch** · 05-15-2004, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Given his recent history, I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing...I have to wonder what the deal is. Franchised by Philly, within months they drop the tag and he signs with Washington only to be released the following year.

Trotter is a Terrel Owens. He's got the same level of talent and the same type of attitude.

Andy Reid doesn't put up with that. And I think Reid was pressured to make a move at WR and that's why Owens was signed.

I don't think he'll finish the season as a starter in Philli. Reid is a hardass and just doesn't put up with attitude or character issues. I'm convinced the Owens signing was forced upon him...

|Zach| · 09-09-2004, 10:32 AM

Bump

Well this was my post from March looks like im pretty hit and miss. My hope for Battle is fading...but I don't think I did to bad of job. It would be a good one if Kawika wasn't hurt.

38yrsfan · 09-09-2004, 11:04 AM

The KC D has some great talent that needs to be directed to their potential for best results and native abilities. The way they are utilized can be more effective if aligned to a scheme that better suits the temperment of the players. This would be similar to the Bronco "system" on offense that allows them to take unheralded running backs and turn them into rushing leaders. If you have made it to the pros, it should be recognized that there is some ability there that is considered to be above the average.

Considering the 29th place previously, improvement is almost a given, however, significant improvement is what is required to be a dominating team let alone an SB winner/particiapant. The current situation is all the more depressing as KC has been known to be a team that was dominant on defense. Even in the many losing seasons, it was heartenong to see a defense that was out for blood, even while losing. The team has had more than its share of adversity with players dieing in the off-season; Derrick Thomas, Joe Delaney, etc. Let's see some parity in that area, at least Ricky Williams is still alive and kicking, lol ... just some sick humor, give me your indulgence.

Coogs · 09-09-2004, 01:01 PM

I pulled this from yesterdays DV Q&A at kcchiefs.com...

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Q: Why did you make so few changes on the defense and how do you see it now?

DICK VERMEIL: “Because I thought the defense was young, I thought I could recognize some of the problems, and I felt we were getting better.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

I totally agree with DV, and stated as such last spring as well. Many have indicated we have a 1 or 2 year window to get the Super Bowl trophy. I disagree. I think the balance of power will switch from the offensive side of the ball to the defensive side of the ball in a couple of years though. I think the foundation for a top 5 defense is taking shape, and will replace our top 5 offense. Our top 5 offense will probably start to slide in a year or two. But look at the Ravens. A kick azz defense and no offense will keep you in the hunt, just as we have been in the hunt with the reverse situation for the last two years.

03-11-2004, 12:23 AM
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5086768	The Chiefs don't need an over priced FA to be better next year... (Zach's Prediction) Ok here it goes. Most of the board will disagree with me. Some will pass me off as an idiot homer...some will say I don't know anything about football and thats fine. I expect this from Chiefsplanet. I would be dissapointed actully if I don't hear things like that and I will be dissapointed if Laz doesn't put himself on the cross in yet another thread for not being a homer but... I believe the Chief defense will be better next year and here is why I believe that. They don't have to be that much better for this team to get to the place it wants to be. They didn't win the superbowl last year but I believe the Colts were just as good as any team in the NFL. During the game we only needed the Colts to punt once. One little punt and the offense and special teams could have put it together enough to win the game. They tore apart our defense like it was a complete joke and it was a complete joke. The Colts would line up and Manning would walk his happy ass to all those lineman and just call out plays. For some reason the defense never decided to move or audible at all. Nothing would change and we would pretty much show what we were going to do before the play. I don't care who is playing defense when you play like that you are going to get your ass kicked. Not every player that is a FA is going to be an automatic upgrade. It seems to be a very popular opinion that "anyone else would be better than what we have." I think this is foolish I think we have a great CB in Eric Warfield. Did he get beat last year? Of course he did its the damn NFL and offense is taking over. Did make a lot of great plays also? Yes. I think he did. The Chiefs will have a better defense next year if... Ryan Sims plays up to his potential The defense attacks with 11 men doing their jobs Arm tackles are eliminated The intensity comes back (alot of that passion comes from coaching) I will be very worried about the Chiefs defense if... Maslowski is our MLB There isn't more rotating on the D Line to make use of our player's different strenghts Chiefs Planet members get control of wheeling and dealing with the Chiefs and we sign an over priced Hugh Douglas type player Predictions from the thread to the field Eric Hick's will have a great season under Gunther's style of defense. Vonnie Holliday will have an awful season and either get beat out in camp or replaced in the regular season Mitchell if given the nod to start will be a solid player and fierce hitter in the middle for us. Gunther has a knack for developing talent at the LB position. William Bartee will play well in a limited roll for the Kansas City Chiefs In the coming years Julian Battle will become the best Chiefs CB since James Hasty Last edited by \|Zach\|; 05-13-2004 at 11:57 PM..
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05-14-2004, 11:48 AM	#93
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	Personally, I'm not worried about our LBs or our DTs. I think all of ours, starters and backups, are either good or have the potential to be better. CBs and DEs are another matter, imo. I think that with the exception of Battle and Wilkerson (who are both on the bottom of the depth charts) are as good as they are ever going to get. Overpriced FAs? I don't have any problem not bringing in some. Same exact cast with a new director? I'm a little concerned. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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05-15-2004, 12:49 AM	#98
Manila-Chief Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Memphis/Miss Casino cash: $10006883	Agree! but how do we do that in this forum? I was all for him coz we need an upgrade but the fact he got cut raises serious questions. So, if CP doesn't bring him in I'll understand!!!!
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09-09-2004, 10:32 AM	#102
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5086768	Bump Well this was my post from March looks like im pretty hit and miss. My hope for Battle is fading...but I don't think I did to bad of job. It would be a good one if Kawika wasn't hurt.
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09-09-2004, 11:04 AM	#103
38yrsfan Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In many minds, rent free. Casino cash: $9945667	The KC D has some great talent that needs to be directed to their potential for best results and native abilities. The way they are utilized can be more effective if aligned to a scheme that better suits the temperment of the players. This would be similar to the Bronco "system" on offense that allows them to take unheralded running backs and turn them into rushing leaders. If you have made it to the pros, it should be recognized that there is some ability there that is considered to be above the average. Considering the 29th place previously, improvement is almost a given, however, significant improvement is what is required to be a dominating team let alone an SB winner/particiapant. The current situation is all the more depressing as KC has been known to be a team that was dominant on defense. Even in the many losing seasons, it was heartenong to see a defense that was out for blood, even while losing. The team has had more than its share of adversity with players dieing in the off-season; Derrick Thomas, Joe Delaney, etc. Let's see some parity in that area, at least Ricky Williams is still alive and kicking, lol ... just some sick humor, give me your indulgence. __________________ During the 75 season the Chiefs mascot Warpaint would circle the field after a touchdown. This prompted a great quote from long ago Raiders coach John Madden after the 42-10 loss at Arrowhead. "We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse."
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09-09-2004, 01:01 PM	#104
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1024349	I pulled this from yesterdays DV Q&A at kcchiefs.com... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Why did you make so few changes on the defense and how do you see it now? DICK VERMEIL: “Because I thought the defense was young, I thought I could recognize some of the problems, and I felt we were getting better. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I totally agree with DV, and stated as such last spring as well. Many have indicated we have a 1 or 2 year window to get the Super Bowl trophy. I disagree. I think the balance of power will switch from the offensive side of the ball to the defensive side of the ball in a couple of years though. I think the foundation for a top 5 defense is taking shape, and will replace our top 5 offense. Our top 5 offense will probably start to slide in a year or two. But look at the Ravens. A kick azz defense and no offense will keep you in the hunt, just as we have been in the hunt with the reverse situation for the last two years.
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