The Chiefs don't need an over priced FA to be better next year...

|Zach| · 11:57 PM

Ok here it goes. Most of the board will disagree with me. Some will pass me off as an idiot homer...some will say I don't know anything about football and thats fine. I expect this from Chiefsplanet. I would be dissapointed actully if I don't hear things like that and I will be dissapointed if Laz doesn't put himself on the cross in yet another thread for not being a homer but...

I believe the Chief defense will be better next year and here is why I believe that.

They don't have to be that much better for this team to get to the place it wants to be. They didn't win the superbowl last year but I believe the Colts were just as good as any team in the NFL. During the game we only needed the Colts to punt once. One little punt and the offense and special teams could have put it together enough to win the game. They tore apart our defense like it was a complete joke and it was a complete joke. The Colts would line up and Manning would walk his happy ass to all those lineman and just call out plays. For some reason the defense never decided to move or audible at all. Nothing would change and we would pretty much show what we were going to do before the play. I don't care who is playing defense when you play like that you are going to get your ass kicked.

Not every player that is a FA is going to be an automatic upgrade. It seems to be a very popular opinion that "anyone else would be better than what we have." I think this is foolish I think we have a great CB in Eric Warfield. Did he get beat last year? Of course he did its the damn NFL and offense is taking over. Did make a lot of great plays also? Yes. I think he did.

The Chiefs will have a better defense next year if...

Ryan Sims plays up to his potential
The defense attacks with 11 men doing their jobs
Arm tackles are eliminated
The intensity comes back (alot of that passion comes from coaching)

I will be very worried about the Chiefs defense if...

Maslowski is our MLB
There isn't more rotating on the D Line to make use of our player's different strenghts
Chiefs Planet members get control of wheeling and dealing with the Chiefs and we sign an over priced Hugh Douglas type player

Predictions from the thread to the field

Eric Hick's will have a great season under Gunther's style of defense.
Vonnie Holliday will have an awful season and either get beat out in camp or replaced in the regular season
Mitchell if given the nod to start will be a solid player and fierce hitter in the middle for us. Gunther has a knack for developing talent at the LB position.
William Bartee will play well in a limited roll for the Kansas City Chiefs
In the coming years Julian Battle will become the best Chiefs CB since James Hasty

**the Talking Can** · 03-11-2004, 12:42 AM

I disagree about our defense, it has to get a lot better...beating the Colts is one thing, beating the Patriots another

but I agree about FA, and I'm glad we haven't signed any of these overpriced FAs....the only reason I was excited about Vincent was that I thought he would be reasonably priced due to age...but it seems maybe he's looking for more

our CBs are good enough if we have a real pass rush..but our DL suks baloney and Gun has a lot of work to do, I wouldn't mind a flyer on Sapp if the price is right...we'll see, still pretty earlier to worry about next year

|Zach| · 03-11-2004, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I it has to get a lot better...beating the Colts is one thing, beating the Patriots another

I believe the Chiefs would have beat the Patriots had they played last year but that is neither here nor there.

I think the way our offense scores we only need a top 13 or so defense. Do I want it to be better? Of course. But I am looking at an NFL landscape where you really can't be that great on both sides of the ball.

Logical · 03-11-2004, 12:59 AM

A little homerish for me Zach but a nice thought out analysis.

big nasty kcnut · 03-11-2004, 12:59 AM

Zach you may be right but if we didn't get improved on defense. You willing to see another lost chance to get to a superbowl.

|Zach| · 03-11-2004, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

A little homerish for me Zach but a nice thought out analysis.

Thats why you guys pay me the big bucks.

**the Talking Can** · 03-11-2004, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

I think the way our offense scores we only need a top 13 or so defense.

I agree, but imho the distance between our D and a D ranked #13 is something equivalent to "a bananazillion."

ChiefJustice · 03-11-2004, 01:14 AM

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Eric Hick's will have a great season under Gunther's style of defense.
Vonnie Holliday will have an awful season and either get beat out in camp or replaced in the regular season

I think you may have mixed these two names up.

I hope Hicks becomes a monster under Gun.I for one think he will fail
miserably.My prediction: Sims kills Hicks in week 6!
That is my rally cry for the '04 season.

|Zach| · 03-11-2004, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I agree, but imho the distance between our D and a D ranked #13 is something equivalent to "a bananazillion."

I love the usage of words. I think you are right thought sadly. Although if we can just get a little tougher against the run we are gonna be ok. When you plug up that run your pass defense is always gonna come around with it. You can't really say the same thing flip flopped.

Logical · 03-11-2004, 01:14 AM

"a bananazillion."

Kudos from the peanut gallery on that phraseology.

Cormac · 03-11-2004, 07:56 AM

Very nice post ZachKC. I agree.

The big offseason improvement on D is the scheme. I will stick to my feeling that the coaching was largely at fault, not the players. I got what I wanted this offseason - a new defensive coach. I would have probably preferred that to keeping GRob, and signing Ray Lewis and Champ Bailey. Once the players know what it is they are supposed to be doing, and are allowed to do it, these players could look pretty good. I find myself completely unable to tell how good these players are, from what we have seen the last 3 years. When they hesitate on the pass rush, or look over their shoulders to find their "zone" instead of just tearing after the ball carrier, of course they look like crap. When Gun instils in them the "go after their heart, then take their soul" philosophy, I think we'll find we have some players.

nmt1 · 03-11-2004, 08:05 AM

Zach, don't you realize that because Vermiel publicly stated we wouldn't be active in free agency this offseason and because we didn't sign anyone on the first day of free agency or have any visits set up for the first day of free agency and because Peterson and Vermiel had the audacity to be on vacation during the first days of free agency that we aren't trying to improve?

MrBlond · 03-11-2004, 08:15 AM

I disagree with just about every point Zach made. With the exception of no Maz in the Middle.

But I still respect Zach as a poster and do NOT consider him an idiot homer. And I do not think that he knows nothing about football.

KHinz57 · 03-11-2004, 10:02 AM

Looks like Zach and I are the only ones on this board who agree that William Bartee under the guidance of Gunther Cunningham will turn out to be a pretty solid player in limited roles. Bartee has the tools to play ... but with Robinson's scheme last year, it was VERY easy to get burnt. Our best cornerback, Dexter McCleon, who normally does not get burned, actually did get burnt several times last year. Was it because he fell asleep or wasn't fast enough? No. The scheme Robinson ran was just horrible and he doesn't belong in the NFL under what he currently runs.

MrBlond · 03-11-2004, 10:08 AM

KHinz, otoh, is an idiot homer who knows nothing about football.

j/k

03-11-2004, 12:23 AM
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5206768	The Chiefs don't need an over priced FA to be better next year... (Zach's Prediction) Ok here it goes. Most of the board will disagree with me. Some will pass me off as an idiot homer...some will say I don't know anything about football and thats fine. I expect this from Chiefsplanet. I would be dissapointed actully if I don't hear things like that and I will be dissapointed if Laz doesn't put himself on the cross in yet another thread for not being a homer but... I believe the Chief defense will be better next year and here is why I believe that. They don't have to be that much better for this team to get to the place it wants to be. They didn't win the superbowl last year but I believe the Colts were just as good as any team in the NFL. During the game we only needed the Colts to punt once. One little punt and the offense and special teams could have put it together enough to win the game. They tore apart our defense like it was a complete joke and it was a complete joke. The Colts would line up and Manning would walk his happy ass to all those lineman and just call out plays. For some reason the defense never decided to move or audible at all. Nothing would change and we would pretty much show what we were going to do before the play. I don't care who is playing defense when you play like that you are going to get your ass kicked. Not every player that is a FA is going to be an automatic upgrade. It seems to be a very popular opinion that "anyone else would be better than what we have." I think this is foolish I think we have a great CB in Eric Warfield. Did he get beat last year? Of course he did its the damn NFL and offense is taking over. Did make a lot of great plays also? Yes. I think he did. The Chiefs will have a better defense next year if... Ryan Sims plays up to his potential The defense attacks with 11 men doing their jobs Arm tackles are eliminated The intensity comes back (alot of that passion comes from coaching) I will be very worried about the Chiefs defense if... Maslowski is our MLB There isn't more rotating on the D Line to make use of our player's different strenghts Chiefs Planet members get control of wheeling and dealing with the Chiefs and we sign an over priced Hugh Douglas type player Predictions from the thread to the field Eric Hick's will have a great season under Gunther's style of defense. Vonnie Holliday will have an awful season and either get beat out in camp or replaced in the regular season Mitchell if given the nod to start will be a solid player and fierce hitter in the middle for us. Gunther has a knack for developing talent at the LB position. William Bartee will play well in a limited roll for the Kansas City Chiefs In the coming years Julian Battle will become the best Chiefs CB since James Hasty Last edited by \|Zach\|; 05-13-2004 at 11:57 PM..
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03-11-2004, 12:42 AM	#2
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	I disagree about our defense, it has to get a lot better...beating the Colts is one thing, beating the Patriots another but I agree about FA, and I'm glad we haven't signed any of these overpriced FAs....the only reason I was excited about Vincent was that I thought he would be reasonably priced due to age...but it seems maybe he's looking for more our CBs are good enough if we have a real pass rush..but our DL suks baloney and Gun has a lot of work to do, I wouldn't mind a flyer on Sapp if the price is right...we'll see, still pretty earlier to worry about next year __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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03-11-2004, 12:59 AM	#4
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	A little homerish for me Zach but a nice thought out analysis.
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03-11-2004, 12:59 AM	#5
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $1340900	Zach you may be right but if we didn't get improved on defense. You willing to see another lost chance to get to a superbowl. __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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03-11-2004, 01:14 AM	#10
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	"a bananazillion." Kudos from the peanut gallery on that phraseology.
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03-11-2004, 07:56 AM	#11
Cormac Haley sceptic.... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: waiting it out....... Casino cash: $10004900	Very nice post ZachKC. I agree. The big offseason improvement on D is the scheme. I will stick to my feeling that the coaching was largely at fault, not the players. I got what I wanted this offseason - a new defensive coach. I would have probably preferred that to keeping GRob, and signing Ray Lewis and Champ Bailey. Once the players know what it is they are supposed to be doing, and are allowed to do it, these players could look pretty good. I find myself completely unable to tell how good these players are, from what we have seen the last 3 years. When they hesitate on the pass rush, or look over their shoulders to find their "zone" instead of just tearing after the ball carrier, of course they look like crap. When Gun instils in them the "go after their heart, then take their soul" philosophy, I think we'll find we have some players.
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03-11-2004, 08:05 AM	#12
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Zach, don't you realize that because Vermiel publicly stated we wouldn't be active in free agency this offseason and because we didn't sign anyone on the first day of free agency or have any visits set up for the first day of free agency and because Peterson and Vermiel had the audacity to be on vacation during the first days of free agency that we aren't trying to improve?
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03-11-2004, 08:15 AM	#13
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	I disagree with just about every point Zach made. With the exception of no Maz in the Middle. But I still respect Zach as a poster and do NOT consider him an idiot homer. And I do not think that he knows nothing about football. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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KHinz57 Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leavenworth, KS Casino cash: $10004900	Looks like Zach and I are the only ones on this board who agree that William Bartee under the guidance of Gunther Cunningham will turn out to be a pretty solid player in limited roles. Bartee has the tools to play ... but with Robinson's scheme last year, it was VERY easy to get burnt. Our best cornerback, Dexter McCleon, who normally does not get burned, actually did get burnt several times last year. Was it because he fell asleep or wasn't fast enough? No. The scheme Robinson ran was just horrible and he doesn't belong in the NFL under what he currently runs.
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03-11-2004, 10:08 AM	#15
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