Chiefs Overall Evaluation of our 2009 Draft picks. - Page 7

chiefsfan1963 · 08-31-2009, 10:29 PM

Jackson seems to be the real deal. How about the rest of our picks?

I would love to hear what our insightful posters takes are.
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Pablo · 09-02-2009, 04:40 PM

WORST DRAFT EVAR.

Pioli didn't even consult CP when he drafted these guys, what is he, reeruned?

milkman · 09-02-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Why do you have to pick on the reeruned kid?
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It's my calling.

**Buehler445** · 09-02-2009, 04:42 PM

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You know what I find amusing...the only Patriots assistant that is finding any success is the one that didn't force his team into 3-4.

Yeah, because the 4-3 was working so well for us. You know with all this supreme talent we have.

If we would have stayed in the 4-3, we would have had to commit MORE talent to the 4-3 that would have been pissed away when we eventually switched. The head coach wants it and thw GM wants it. If the ownership (the only other person that matters) didn't want it, he shouldn't have hired Pioli.
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milkman · 09-02-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

WORST DRAFT EVAR.

Pioli didn't even consult CP when he drafted these guys, what is he, reeruned?

No.

But this post is.

milkman · 09-02-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yeah, because the 4-3 was working so well for us. You know with all this supreme talent we have.

If we would have stayed in the 4-3, we would have had to commit MORE talent to the 4-3 that would have been pissed away when we eventually switched. The head coach wants it and thw GM wants it. If the ownership (the only other person that matters) didn't want it, he shouldn't have hired Pioli.
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Good point.

Given the sorry state of the Chiefs defense anyway, there is no benefit in waiting to make the switch.

T-post Tom · 09-02-2009, 04:51 PM

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And that was the gist of Dane's post.

Somehow, Pioli and Haley failed to recognize the absolute dogshit that makes up at least 3/5s of the the Chiefs O-Line and failed to address with more than a suck ass declining vet.

Okay, after rereading Dane's post and one of his prior posts that I initially missed: he does seem most concerned about the positions drafted and not drafted. So my apologies to Dane on that. [Although he does question the talent level of some picks and their ability to play in the NFL, which I have a problem with.] I'm not an advocate of blind homerism, but I do get tired of the negativity. So Dane, my apologies for missing your earlier post and not getting all of your argument clearly. That said, I think it's fair to give the Pioli regime a chance to complete some regular season games before I prejudge their draft/personnel moves.

TFG · 09-02-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yeah, because the 4-3 was working so well for us. You know with all this supreme talent we have.

If we would have stayed in the 4-3, we would have had to commit MORE talent to the 4-3 that would have been pissed away when we eventually switched. The head coach wants it and thw GM wants it. If the ownership (the only other person that matters) didn't want it, he shouldn't have hired Pioli.
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I don't agree with that at all. DJ is clearly a 4-3 OLB, as is Demorrio. Corey Mays was on the roster already. There were some decent LBs for 4-3 in FA, including the Ram now a Bear = Pisa. I would have grabbed Hagler from the Colts. You have Hali as one DE, Babin as depth. Yes, 4-3 DE needed a boost, and Everette Brown would have been tempting had the Cassel trade not been made. My "best value" at DE was Brandon Williams of TexTech, who has already torn a knee as Dallas 4th rounder. DT, yeah, you needed somebody to push the LOS and not give way to double teams. That was Ron Brace, and he was more important than the DE. So, yeah, as it was with the 4-3 on the roster, you really needed DE and stud run stuff DT = 2 players. You could get by with LB in FA and late picks. And, yeah, you need Glen Dorsey to get his #### together. MLB Scott McKillop is there in Round 5.

With the 3-4, you needed at least two DLs, you are assuming Hali can play OLB, and you don't have anything resembling a serious NT (and failed to get one even after spending 1 and 3 on DL). Sorry, but having Vrabel on the roster doesn't inspire me... The 3-4 "consumed" a lot of other options, especially upgrading the OL from dog#### to elite.

**Buehler445** · 09-02-2009, 04:58 PM

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I don't agree with that at all. DJ is clearly a 4-3 OLB, as is Demorrio. Corey Mays was on the roster already. There were some decent LBs for 4-3 in FA, including the Ram now a Bear = Pisa. I would have grabbed Hagler from the Colts. You have Hali as one DE, Babin as depth. Yes, 4-3 DE needed a boost, and Everette Brown would have been tempting had the Cassel trade not been made. My "best value" at DE was Brandon Williams of TexTech, who has already torn a knee as Dallas 4th rounder. DT, yeah, you needed somebody to push the LOS and not give way to double teams. That was Ron Brace, and he was more important than the DE. So, yeah, as it was with the 4-3 on the roster, you really needed DE and stud run stuff DT = 2 players. You could get by with LB in FA and late picks. And, yeah, you need Glen Dorsey to get his #### together. MLB Scott McKillop is there in Round 5.

With the 3-4, you needed at least two DLs, you are assuming Hali can play OLB, and you don't have anything resembling a serious NT (and failed to get one even after spending 1 and 3 on DL). Sorry, but having Vrabel on the roster doesn't inspire me... The 3-4 "consumed" a lot of other options, especially upgrading the OL from dog#### to elite.

Will you please give up on drafting a ****ing RT with the 3 overall? Pioli did error (IMO) in not getting a RT, but it was later in the draft and free agency, not the ****ing 3 overall pick.

And Ron Brace, who will likely take a year to get acclimated, Evertt Brown (you can't have Brace and Brown both anyway), and a free agent LB was not going to make this defense better than dogshit.
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milkman · 09-02-2009, 05:10 PM

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Will you please give up on drafting a ****ing RT with the 3 overall? Pioli did error (IMO) in not getting a RT, but it was later in the draft and free agency, not the ****ing 3 overall pick.

And Ron Brace, who will likely take a year to get acclimated, Evertt Brown (you can't have Brace and Brown both anyway), and a free agent LB was not going to make this defense better than dogshit.
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And let's not overlook the fact that even if he's right about DJ and DeMorrio, a premise that I don't agree with as it relates to DJ at least, neither are guys that you build a defense around.

And guys like Hali and Babin are irrelevent as well.

The only legitimate concern is that Dorsey isn't a good fit.

There isn't enough talent for a 43 here to scrap the idea of making the switch.

kstater · 09-02-2009, 05:17 PM

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And let's not overlook the fact that even if he's right about DJ and DeMorrio, a premise that I don't agree with as it relates to DJ at least, neither are guys that you build a defense around.

And guys like Hali and Babin are irrelevent as well.

The only legitimate concern is that Dorsey isn't a good fit.

There isn't enough talent for a 43 here to scrap the idea of making the switch.

One could even argue that now's the best time to switch and throw these guys out there in a sink or swim situation and see who can hang on and contribute as depth down the line.

T-post Tom · 09-02-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

And let's not overlook the fact that even if he's right about DJ and DeMorrio, a premise that I don't agree with as it relates to DJ at least, neither are guys that you build a defense around.

And guys like Hali and Babin are irrelevent as well.

The only legitimate concern is that Dorsey isn't a good fit.

There isn't enough talent for a 43 here to scrap the idea of making the switch.

Agreed. Fixing this roster is going to be a herculean task regardless of the defensive (or offensive) scheme. Setting the bar too high on expectations for the new admin's first year is going to induce a lot of heartache. You can only do so much in one season.

milkman · 09-02-2009, 05:32 PM

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Agreed. Fixing this roster is going to be a herculean task regardless of the defensive (or offensive) scheme. Setting the bar too high on expectations for the new admin's first year is going to induce a lot of heartache. You can only do so much in one season.

Dare we say a Piolian task?

T-post Tom · 09-02-2009, 06:36 PM

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Dare we say a Piolian task?

Best be careful with those kind of reckless remarks or some will accuse you of drinking the kool-aid. (Made fresh with Piolian bath water.)

**the Talking Can** · 09-02-2009, 06:47 PM

just to be clear:

we were supposed to pay Pioli an assload of money to come to the Chiefs and not build the defense he wants, knows, and spent years identifying talent for on Superbowl winning teams, but instead continue with the 4-3 for the sole purpose of building around the piece of shit players acquired by DV, Herm, Gun, and Carl - all of whom suck yak ass and have never demonstrated a single seasons worth of talent, desire, or skill sufficient to win more than 4 games or be ranked better than one of the lowest defenses in the league, the players whose only accomplishment in the nfl is setting a league record for fewest sacks in a season - because we don't want to throw away these valuable pieces and start over?

um........

..............huh?

kstater · 09-02-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

just to be clear:

we were supposed to pay Pioli an assload of money to come to the Chiefs and not build the defense he wants, knows, and spent years identifying talent for on Superbowl winning teams, but instead continue with the 4-3 for the sole purpose of building around the piece of shit players acquired by DV, Herm, Gun, and Carl - all of whom suck yak ass and have never demonstrated a single seasons worth of talent, desire, or skill sufficient to win more than 4 games or be ranked better than one of the lowest defenses in the league, the players whose only accomplishment in the nfl is setting a league record for fewest sacks in a season - because we don't want to throw away these valuable pieces and start over?

um........

..............huh?

No, Pioli just can't do it this year. Maybe next year.

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