2009 Broncos = the 2003 Chiefs

[Shaid]

Think about it, crazy last second plays or multiple kick returns to pull out an improbable victory. That's just how we won early on in 2003 until the end of the year rolled around and the meltdown started. I'm still waiting for it. I'm not sold on the Broncos yet.

[Buehler445]

It sickens me that the Donko biches are having so much success.

That is all.
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[BY1401]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

And, don't get me wrong... we all know what Indy can do, but they really haven't played anyone either. That card has been played on Denver a lot, so I can do it here.

The Colts are 6-0 vs Jags, Dolphins, Cardinals, Seahawks, Titans and next up they have the Rams - one team of the 5 over .500.

And, against that schedule - they're 7th in team defense. (14 vs rush, 9 vs pass)

Denver will certainly have their hands fully, but Manning hasn't been pressured like Denver has been consistently doing so far. I like their chances, I certainly don't expect a road win... but I don't expect to see a Manning clinic either.

The Colts are 5-0, unless you're just going ahead and including Sunday's game as a gimmee. So, yeah. 6-0.

When looking at the teams they've beaten, don't forget that the Jags and the Titans are division rivals. For whatever reason, the Jags have played the Colts tough in Indy since they've been in the same division. None of those games have been won by either team by more than 7 points.

The Titans? They were keeping it close until the last minute of the first half. That sub-minute touchdown drive was the dividing line between a team that cared and a team that didn't, which is the same one that showed up in Foughxboughrough this past Sunday.

Regarding the Miami game: the Colt's O had control of the ball for less than 15 minutes. They scored 27 points in less than a quarter. Sure, that's not as impressive as what New England did against Tennessee, but at least Miami's D was playing football.

As far as Arizona goes, that game was suppossed to be a shootout of epic proportions. Indy held them to 10 points, their lowest point total of the season so far.

The Seahawks? Not much you can say about that game other than it was cupcake.

All in all, I think game 13 could shape up to be pretty good.

[Agent V]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Denver is solid across the board. The only weakness the Broncos have is a shaky FG kicker. As long as we stay relatively healthy Denver will continue to win.

While you still annoy me, I must say I was pretty harsh in the preseason, and I've been proven wrong. I should shut my mouth when I'm making preseason predictions.

That said, I hope Kansas City somehow kicks the living shit out of your team, at least at Arrowhead.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by milkman

Two minute offense, making plays to move the chains.

I don't think so.

Pats game?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by BY1401

The Colts are 5-0, unless you're just going ahead and including Sunday's game as a gimmee. So, yeah. 6-0.

When looking at the teams they've beaten, don't forget that the Jags and the Titans are division rivals. For whatever reason, the Jags have played the Colts tough in Indy since they've been in the same division. None of those games have been won by either team by more than 7 points.

The Titans? They were keeping it close until the last minute of the first half. That sub-minute touchdown drive was the dividing line between a team that cared and a team that didn't, which is the same one that showed up in Foughxboughrough this past Sunday.

Regarding the Miami game: the Colt's O had control of the ball for less than 15 minutes. They scored 27 points in less than a quarter. Sure, that's not as impressive as what New England did against Tennessee, but at least Miami's D was playing football.

As far as Arizona goes, that game was suppossed to be a shootout of epic proportions. Indy held them to 10 points, their lowest point total of the season so far.

The Seahawks? Not much you can say about that game other than it was cupcake.

All in all, I think game 13 could shape up to be pretty good.

Yeah, sorry - should have typed 5-0. But, I do agree with many of the points you made... I used the same or similar arguments to defend Denver's schedule when everyone was blasting it early on. It's funny how that defense is used for certain teams and not others.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think it depends on the matchup.

And I do think that Orton has performed better and is a much better leader than Grlbac ever was at any time in his career.

What are you talking about?

Were you making a claim that the Chiefs O-line in 2003 was overrated?

Green was also the QB of the 2002 team.

I'm lost here. Just lost.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Pats game?

That was a nice drive he put together to tie the game, but they scored with about 4:30-5:00 minutes left, so it didn't necessarily have the sense of urgency that I'm talking about.

Two minute offense with the clock running down.

I'll buy into him when he can make plays to moce the chains and score with less than 2 minutes.

And I'm talking about doing it more than just a couple of times.

As I said, Bono manged to so it a couple of times, and certainly no one thought he was anything more than crap.

And, Bono at one time in his career, was the the active leader among QBs in won-loss record.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

the broncos suck.

[Mile High Mania]

I'll add this to the Orton is a 'game manger' argument and then leave it alone for a while.

Among the 32 teams (realizing some have started multiple QBs) -

Only 6 QBs have thrown for more yards.
Only 8 QBs have made more passing attempts.
Only 7 QBs have made more passing completions.
Only 9 QBs have a higher Yards per Attempt.
Only 9 QBs have more TD passes.
No QBs have fewer INTs thrown (1).

Orton is doing very well and he's doing more than just being a game manager, and he's playing smart - not trying to "make that play no matter what happens". That's all you can ask for from your QB.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Pats game?

I wonder how smart McDaniels would have looked if that last pass into the endzone before the FG had been picked. It was close...

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by milkman

That was a nice drive he put together to tie the game, but they scored with about 4:30-5:00 minutes left, so it didn't necessarily have the sense of urgency that I'm talking about.

Two minute offense with the clock running down.

I'll buy into him when he can make plays to moce the chains and score with less than 2 minutes.

And I'm talking about doing it more than just a couple of times.

As I said, Bono manged to so it a couple of times, and certainly no one thought he was anything more than crap.

And, Bono at one time in his career, was the the active leader among QBs in won-loss record.

I still think you have a lot of disclaimers ready to throw out there no matter what he does on the field.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

I wonder how smart McDaniels would have looked if that last pass into the endzone before the FG had been picked. It was close...

He would have been called a moron... I called him that when they made the two pass attempts on that drive. I couldn't fathom why they would be doing that other than he was just as worn out on Prater as I have been at times. I thought that passing in that situation was totally the wrong way to go, especially a pass that wasn't 'safe'.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I'll add this to the Orton is a 'game manger' argument and then leave it alone for a while.

Among the 32 teams (realizing some have started multiple QBs) -

Only 6 QBs have thrown for more yards.
Only 8 QBs have made more passing attempts.
Only 7 QBs have made more passing completions.
Only 9 QBs have a higher Yards per Attempt.
Only 9 QBs have more TD passes.
No QBs have fewer INTs thrown (1).

Orton is doing very well and he's doing more than just being a game manager, and he's playing smart - not trying to "make that play no matter what happens". That's all you can ask for from your QB.

Agreed. But you have to admit he also has more advantages than at least 70% of the QB's in the league with that OL and those receivers. Otherwise how do you explain his career numbers entering this season? Again, not a knock, just reality. All you can ask from your QB, unless he is a superstar like Manning, is to take advantage of the tools he has and maximize his skills, and Orton is doing that right now...

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Agreed. But you have to admit he also has more advantages than at least 70% of the QB's in the league with that OL and those receivers. Otherwise how do you explain his career numbers entering this season? Again, not a knock, just reality. All you can ask from your QB, unless he is a superstar like Manning, is to take advantage of the tools he has and maximize his skills, and Orton is doing that right now...

I agree... and this is why I said from the very beginning that I had more faith than many about his upside in Denver, and why I thought Cutler in Chicago without an overhaul at WR would struggle to be "the fix".

There are very few QBs that can create magic with players that are turds. Elway, Montana, Brady, Peyton... those guys had/have 'it' and they could/can make magic happen.

But, Orton hasn't received credit for being a good QB (despite his record) because he wasn't putting up stellar numbers in CHI and the perception was they were winning based on defense, special teams and the ground game. And, I'm not saying that isn't true.

However, Orton has been more of a factor in Denver and has done more to help the team win games than he did in Chicago. But, because it appears that Denver has all of a sudden found a defense... and Orton walked into a great situation with the OL and the WRs, well... he's still not getting credit.

So, it is what it is... I just don't think it's luck. The guy plays smart and he can make great throws. They're not just doing dump offs, he's put plenty of passes right on the mark. Has he been lucky that a few of those were not intercepted? Sure, but every Sunday, you can find 10 other QBs that were just as lucky on a pass.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I still think you have a lot of disclaimers ready to throw out there no matter what he does on the field.

It may appear that way, but it's all consistently, two minute offense, moving the chains in a big game and scoring with time running out.