Chiefs Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley - Page 7

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Carl had 18 years experience as a GM. He never had a rookie HC save Gunther for 2 years.

I think it only realistic to expect Pioli and Haley to have growing pains. Particularly with the POS they had given to them as a team.

Then I'd like for you to explain why Josh McDaniels and Rick Xander are both first timers, yet they're headed to the playoffs.

While you're at it, please explain how Tom Dimitroff and Mike Smith, both first timers, took a 3-13 team to the playoffs last year with an 11-5 record.

I'll be waiting.

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then I'd like for you to explain why Josh McDaniels and Rick Xander are both first timers, yet they're headed to the playoffs.

While you're at it, please explain how Tom Dimitroff and Mike Smith, both first timers, took a 3-13 team to the playoffs last year with an 11-5 record.

I'll be waiting.

Josh has a shitload of talent to work with compared to us.

Are you saying the expectation is to go from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year with the kind of team we had?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Josh has a shitload of talent to work with compared to us.

Bullshit.

They went out and signed MORE free agents than ANY team in the NFL. They traded their supposed "Franchise QB" for a former 4th rounder and picks. People around here "laughed" at the Broncos moves (I did not). They now have Chicago's first rounder in the 2010 draft and will be good for years.

NOT because of what was left behind but because of what was added and HOW McDaniels and Mike Nolan have coached up that team.

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Are you saying the expectation is to go from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year with the kind of team we had?

I'm stating that I would have like to have seen PROGRESS.

I would have to have seen IMPROVEMENT FROM WEEK TO WEEK.

This team is NO better than it was in Week One and quite honestly, they may have been better in week one than they are in week 14.

BigChiefFan · 12-17-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Some of your guys hatred of all things Carl and Herm allows you to rationalize whatever faults the new administration may possess.

What's to rationalize? It's not like it's not OBVIOUS that the team sucks, some just realize this is going to take some time. The team is coming off a 2 year win season. Anybody that expected Pioli to add 53 players that gel in one off-season, where only fooling themselves and has ZERO to do with hatred for Carl and/or Herm.

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

What's to rationalize? It's not like it's not OBVIOUS that the team sucks, some just realize this is going to take some time. The team is coming off a 2 year win, anybody that expected Pioli to add 53 players that gel in oner off-season, where only fooling themselves.

Pioli screwed up round 1 though going for no O-line in the draft and wasting a 2nd on a career backup QB. I would have been content with Thiggy, Croyle of even Gutierez for a year while we built.

We reached even with Jackson at 3 but I think he will pan out to be a good pick. Not a 3 but a good pick.

BigChiefFan · 12-17-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Pioli screwed up round 1 though going for no O-line in the draft and wasting a 2nd on a career backup QB. I would have been content with Thigpen, Croyle of even Gutierez for a year while we built.

We reached even with Jackson at 3 but I think he will pan out to be a good pick. Not a 3 but a good pick.

The big picture says it wasn't bad move, in my book. We landed a starting QB for a 2nd rounder-the odds of us finding a starting QB in the 2nd round last year, was SLIM.

Going by need, usually equals a reach in the draft. I commend Pioli for sticking to his guns. He also had to give Albert the benefit of the doubt.

I seriously doubt, we pick O-line with our top pick this year, as well. I don't find fault in going with who you think is the best player, at a position of need. All things being equal, the D-line needed to be addressed, every bit as much as the O-line.

I think Pioli is on the right track and his vision for the team will pay dividends in the long-run.

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The big picture says it wasn't bad move, in my book. We landed a starting QB for a 2nd rounder-the odds of us finding a starting QB in the 2nd round last year, was SLIM.

Going by need, usually equals a reach in the draft. I commend Pioli for sticking to his guns. He also had to give Albert the benefit of the doubt.

I seriously doubt, we pick O-line with our top pick this year, as well. I don't find fault in going with who you think is the best player, at a position of need. All things being equal, the D-line needed to be addressed, every bit as much as the O-line.

I think Pioli is on the right track and his vision for the team will pay dividends in the long-run.

The problem I had with Pioli and the draft was not Albert or drafting Jackson. It was sitting on Niswanger, Waters, Goff and ? at RT and expecting something to come of it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The big picture says it wasn't bad move, in my book. We landed a starting QB for a 2nd rounder-the odds of us finding a starting QB in the 2nd round last year, was SLIM.

If the Chiefs were looking for a QB that could not run a Pro Style Offense, they had that in Tyler Thigpen. And he was free.

Cassel's a ****ing joke.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Going by need, usually equals a reach in the draft. I commend Pioli for sticking to his guns. He also had to give Albert the benefit of the doubt.

Needs? Are you ****ING kidding me?

Are you telling me that on a roster that was decimated of talent, that a 5 Tech, 3-4 defensive end was NEEDED with the #3 overall pick?

JFC. If you're serious then...****, I don't even know what to say without telling you to walk into an AIDS Tree or to kill yourself.

I'm conflicted.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I seriously doubt, we pick O-line with our top pick this year, as well. I don't find fault in going with who you think is the best player, at a position of need. All things being equal, the D-line needed to be addressed, every bit as much as the O-line.

Yeah, those D-line picks are working out famously. 500 yards a game.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I think Pioli is on the right track and his vision for the team will pay dividends in the long-run.

Please explain because all I see is an incompetent offense and probably the worse Chiefs defense in YEARS.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

What's to rationalize? It's not like it's not OBVIOUS that the team sucks, some just realize this is going to take some time. The team is coming off a 2 year win season. Anybody that expected Pioli to add 53 players that gel in one off-season, where only fooling themselves and has ZERO to do with hatred for Carl and/or Herm.

Um, I ****ing realize it's going to take time but JFC, how about a little progress?

45 new players yet none are impact players? Three wins?

What about all the ****ing HORSESHIT that was going on in here where people stated we'd win more games on "COACHING ALONE".

How's that working?

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 06:46 PM

The coaching staff needs and infusion of some XP. Crennel would bring that. We would be stupid not to get him or someone similar next year. OC is going to be hard because of how heavy-handed Haley is going to be with the O.

Deberg_1990 · 12-17-2009, 06:54 PM

YOu guys need to go back and read post number 3 in this thread. The Chances of Haley turning this thing around are remote at best.

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

YOu guys need to go back and read post number 3 in this thread. The Chances of Haley turning this thing around are remote at best.

What is to turn around? In my eyes we had plenty of chances to win 5-7 games even with questionable coaching. You can't overthrow wide open WR's, ou can't drop 7 passes a game, you can't throw 3 picks a game, you can't whiff on blocks and you can't miss tackles. You are better off viewing this as the building of an expansion franchise without the luxury of the compensatory picks and such.

Oh yea, you can't throw 2 yard passes in the middle of the field with under 2 min to go in the half\game and no TO's.

RedThat · 12-17-2009, 07:07 PM

I'd like to think of things in a simplistic way.

You give any coach or gm this team and I guarantee you they're going to have their share of struggles. This was a mess to begin with and everyone knew it.

At this point, Id rather place my focus on whats most important, and that is getting some good football players rather then judging the coach. Now I don't agree with a lot of decisions Haley has made or how hes managed football games, but the core of things really boils down to the players. Chiefs don't have enough good players, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who the coach is? its the players who win the games and not the coaches. And imo it shows in their play from lack of fundamentals and inability to execute. Those two things kill this team each and every time they step on the football field.

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I'd like to think of things in a simplistic way.

You give any coach or gm this team and I guarantee you they're going to have their share of struggles. This was a mess to begin with and everyone knew it.

At this point, Id rather place my focus on whats most important, and that is getting some good football players rather then judging the coach. Now I don't agree with a lot of decisions Haley has made or how hes managed football games, but the core of things really boils down to the players. Chiefs don't have enough good players, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who the coach is? its the players who win the games and not the coaches. And imo it shows in their play from lack of fundamentals and inability to execute. Those two things kill this team each and every time they step on the football field.

There is truth in that. If the QB hits some wide open receviers, the score doesn't give Haley a notion to even go for fake punts and such.

BigChiefFan · 12-17-2009, 07:07 PM

His play-calling hasn't been bad. There's been a few times, when he should have been more conservative, but proper execution of the plays and he looks like a genius. In fact, just last year, he was a so-called genius and well on his way to coordinating a Super Bowl offense.

I don't subscribe to the offensive play-calling being terrible.

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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1115873	The coaching staff needs and infusion of some XP. Crennel would bring that. We would be stupid not to get him or someone similar next year. OC is going to be hard because of how heavy-handed Haley is going to be with the O.
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I'd like to think of things in a simplistic way. You give any coach or gm this team and I guarantee you they're going to have their share of struggles. This was a mess to begin with and everyone knew it. At this point, Id rather place my focus on whats most important, and that is getting some good football players rather then judging the coach. Now I don't agree with a lot of decisions Haley has made or how hes managed football games, but the core of things really boils down to the players. Chiefs don't have enough good players, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who the coach is? its the players who win the games and not the coaches. And imo it shows in their play from lack of fundamentals and inability to execute. Those two things kill this team each and every time they step on the football field.
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BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	His play-calling hasn't been bad. There's been a few times, when he should have been more conservative, but proper execution of the plays and he looks like a genius. In fact, just last year, he was a so-called genius and well on his way to coordinating a Super Bowl offense. I don't subscribe to the offensive play-calling being terrible. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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