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Old 02-13-2010, 12:00 PM  
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For either

A) Okung
B) McClain
C) B5TA
D) Joe Haden
E) Dez White
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen)
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected)

How does that affect your view of this regime, if at all?
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:52 PM   #91
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Berry is not a god. He's not even Aaron Curry (man-god (c) ) There are actually other players in this draft that I guarantee you will turn out to be better than Berry.
Okay, I'll bite: Who?

List 'em.
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:52 PM   #92
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How great would it be if we took Okung and the dude turns out to be a Willie Roaf type LT? Watching the CP experts have to eat crow would be great.
He won't.

Don't worry.
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:54 PM   #93
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Trent Green is a perfect example of a player having a great career
Great career?



Is this what Chiefs fans have been reduced to thinking is "great"? A QB who didn't win a playoff game in 6 seasons after the Chiefs passed on Drew Brees in favor of Green, who had never proven ANYTHING?

JFC.
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:55 PM   #94
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It won't change my view because of what we should have learned last year: The draft board of an NFL general manager is different than the draft board of the average NFL fan.
Wrong.

The draft board of Scott Pioli is different than any other NFL GM.
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:57 PM   #95
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Cool. Let's talk 80's Chiefs football suckage and a standout on that team named Derron Cherry......
Seriously? You're going to blame the 80's on Cherry?

The Chiefs were absolutely ****ing LOADED with talent, especially talent in the secondary in the 80's.

Schaaf and Steadman just couldn't hire a coach to save their jobs.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:03 AM   #96
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Uhh, I was talking to Saccopoo. He's that one guy who wants an OT with the pick.
Not really, but I'm not opposed to the idea either. And I'm not so naive as to try to justify that the Chiefs don't need to draft a tackle because Branden Albert was a first round draft pick two years ago. He was picked by Carl and Herm. Their stellar drafting record speaks for itself, especially in the Herm years. They took a flyer on a guy who had never played left tackle in college and tried to shoe horn him into the position at the next level. It was a typical Carl/Herm pick, and his performance on the field has not been good. And that's with two years of starting experience. And that's not even mentioning the rest of the line positions, which all need to be looked at. (Smith being the one potential talent.)

People around here seem to love to make excuses and criticisms for anyone and everyone as long as it's just not their pet player for the Chiefs first round selection.

Our safeties suck. I'd be happy with Berry. Our linebackers suck. I'd be happy with McClain or Spikes or Kindle. Our tight ends suck. I wouldn't mind it one bit if they took Gresham with the #1. Our defensive line sucks. It would be a godsend if Suh dropped.

But guess what? Our entire offensive line sucks even worse and I just feel that it's a pretty important position for a NFL football team. I wanted Oher last year. I would have even been happy if Mack was our pick. And I also felt that if Okung came out last year, he would have been the second best OT in that draft behind Oher. If you don't want a guy like Okung this year, and are holding out hope that Albert gets "it" in his third season of starting in the NFL, or just think that we'll be able to pick up a quality OT in 2011 (when we'd have a shot at Green, Jones, Gabbert or the like), unless some guy has an epiphany, there is going to be a real lack of talent at the OT spot for the next couple of years. Just trying to be a realistic island in this sea of desire for guys who are perceived as high ceiling "playmakers."

With the exception of Flowers and Charles, I don't really care who they replace. They are all expendable/replaceable.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:06 AM   #97
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Pioli is going to draft McClain, just get use to that idea because it's very likely.
well,i wouldn't be jumping for joy if they took McClain but id take him before i took OKung
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Safety is barely more important than center:

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This post was approved of by: Nick Mangold, Alex Mack, Jeff Saturday and Matt Birk.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:12 AM   #99
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Depends on the position the player plays, a great WR on a team with no QB well he's not gonna perform all that highly.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:16 AM   #100
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Cleveland has a bunch of highly drafted and highly paid offensive linemen, it's really winning them a lot of games isn't it?
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:18 AM   #101
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Pioli is going to draft McClain, just get use to that idea because it's very likely.
Seeing as that would be the exact 2010 equivalent of drafting Jackson last year...
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:20 AM   #102
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Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.
Did anyone cue AustinChief?
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:26 AM   #103
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With only one of them really fitting the scheme.
Oh no! Didn't you hear? Dorsey is our best defensive player and to give up on him (much the same as giving up on Albert) would be an unspeakable travesty!

I'm sorry. You have two top five draft picks on the defense. One of them, who isn't named Jackson, is supposedly our best defensive player.

That's not neglecting the defense. (Especially considering that you also have two first rounders at linebacker as well.) In addition, they brought in three Pro Bowl players as free agents this off-season on the defensive side of the ball.

You are going to have to do better than that to convince me that our defense has been neglected.
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Cleveland has a bunch of highly drafted and highly paid offensive linemen, it's really winning them a lot of games isn't it?
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Moot point. No way they let Berry slide down. But they may take a QB there if it shakes out right.
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