Pioli already knows who he's going to draft.

[googlegoogle]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=5669684

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The combine is extremely important for outside players, if you're a WR or a DB and you post a 4.7 you just killed yourself.

For most everyone else it's not that big of a deal.

OK, I see what you're saying now.

[Mecca]

If Flowers had posted a 4.48 he'd have gone in the top 20 picks, 1 tenth matters that much to his position.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

There are a lot of marginal speed WR's that make it in the NFL, there aren't any marginal speed CB's.

A CB running a crap time is a good way to not get drafted.

Right right right. They may not make it, but some are some CB's that can't out run Trent Williams playing right now. Ty Law for one. But yeah, coming out of school it helps.

[Mecca]

Some guys get the benefit being vets but once a CB's speed goes his career goes in the toilet.

I'm not huge on 40 times but for CB's it's wildly important.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

FWIW, Okung is no better of a prospect than Jason Smith.

The other thing to consider when discussing Okung v. Bruce Campbell is that Okung is 23 years old, while Campbell is only 20.

Campbell should probably have stayed in school another year to mature physically (not to mention emotinally).

But his upside is through the roof compared to Okung.

[Mecca]

I know some teams will rail Campbell because his workouts are far more impressive than his game tape so if he gets taken really high some dumbass on ESPN is going to make fun of that team for an hour.

If you have a good OL coach Campbell is a dream.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

No, Pioli has made statements that indicate that the combine is just a show.

I think he said he likes the interviews and that they're important.

He's said that game film and scouting are more important. Don't have the link.

Good. That's the way it should be. These scouts travel the country and work relentlessly, watching games live, talking to coaches, talking to references, etc... getting a detailed snapshot of every single player. In most cases, I'm sure the combine doesn't tell the team a whole lot that you don't know already. You get a few surprises here and there in terms of combine performance that are inconsistent with what scouts tell you, and if they do, you take a second or third look. But for the majority of players, if your scouts have done their homework, then the combine is mostly a show.

The biggest problem, actually, is when coaches/GMs go on power trips because they love the way the guy runs in shorts, even when the scouts tell them they're not that good (see Junior Siavii). And I've heard this happens quite a bit--it certainly happened with Vermeil. The GM and coaches don't have time to travel around the country and watch every game. The scouts are the ones with all the juicy information. I would rather we rely on scouts than a GM who's only seen these guys a few times.

And by the way, I think Pioli was being facetious. He also made a comment a few days ago about how he doesn't like players who don't try out for the combine because he doesn't think they should have anything to hide. Obviously, he does find it important enough.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Good. That's the way it should be. These scouts travel the country and work relentlessly, watching games live, talking to coaches, talking to references, etc... getting a detailed snapshot of every single player. In most cases, I'm sure the combine doesn't tell the team a whole lot that you don't know already. You get a few surprises here and there in terms of combine performance that are inconsistent with what scouts tell you, and if they do, you take a second or third look. But for the majority of players, if your scouts have done their homework, then the combine is mostly a show.

The biggest problem, actually, is when coaches/GMs go on power trips because they love the way the guy runs in shorts, even when the scouts tell them they're not that good (see Junior Siavii). And I've heard this happens quite a bit--it certainly happened with Vermeil. The GM and coaches don't have time to travel around the country and watch every game. The scouts are the ones with all the juicy information. I would rather we rely on scouts than a GM who's only seen these guys a few times.

And by the way, I think Pioli was being facetious. He also made a comment a few days ago about how he doesn't like players who don't try out for the combine because he doesn't think they should have anything to hide. Obviously, he does find it important enough.

More Pioli ass kissing.

You are so ****ing duplicitous.

[BossChief]

So far, my dislikes for the new regime are outnumbering my dislikes from the previous one.

That can definitely change, but so far my hope is dwindeling.

I know its early and I may be alone on this one, but I think the job Muir did in the second half of the year was admirable and that we will do a good job of developing talent under him.

This is an extremely good coaching staff we have in place, if they are given the players they will succeed.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If Flowers had posted a 4.48 he'd have gone in the top 20 picks, 1 tenth matters that much to his position.

Actually, forget his 40. If Flowers was 2 inches taller he would have gone in the top 20. Teams put too much emphasis on height within the secondary players.

[Mecca]

Flowers problem was he's 5'9 and wasn't blazing fast.

[ChiefsCountry]

I still think Anthony Davis will go before Okung. He is the best LT in this draft.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I still think Anthony Davis will go before Okung. He is the best LT in this draft.

He's good, but I put him neck and neck with Campbell, and Bulaga. I've said many times, Bulaga is the best run blocking OL in this draft and I actually feel that he will be better as a Guard than at RT. But wasting a pick on Okung would be dumb when I see a couple OL's later in the draft that will be good.

[Mecca]

Davis was unimpressive at the combine and has character issues...so far he's hurt himself.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I still think Anthony Davis will go before Okung. He is the best LT in this draft.

did you look at your mock draft selections last year

Ouch...