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Old 10-31-2010, 07:56 AM   #1
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I've already owned my mistake on Hali, but most of my observations were when Hali was much heavier.

He lost a lot of weight, added some muscle and is much quicker now even than he was a year ago.

2 years ago and before, in a 43, at LDE, he was a huge liability in run defense.

I admit, while I was happy to get a new staff, and had been hammering ****her and Krumrie for their shortcomings, I still underestimated how much difference an actual real coach would make.

What gets me is how you useless ****ers can't ever get over your butt hurt.
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Old 10-31-2010, 08:33 AM   #2
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I've already owned my mistake on Hali, but most of my observations were when Hali was much heavier.

He lost a lot of weight, added some muscle and is much quicker now even than he was a year ago.

2 years ago and before, in a 43, at LDE, he was a huge liability in run defense.

I admit, while I was happy to get a new staff, and had been hammering ****her and Krumrie for their shortcomings, I still underestimated how much difference an actual real coach would make.

What gets me is how you useless ****ers can't ever get over your butt hurt.

No kidding. I never realized the Planet had such a persecution complex. Its ****ing pathetic.

This coming from Go Chiefs is especially ironic though. I suppose someone could make a thread summarizing all of the shit that he has been wrong about, but I think the server is probably strained enough as it is.
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Isn't Hali one of the most held passrushers in the league as well?
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Old 10-31-2010, 09:50 AM   #5
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Isn't Hali one of the most held passrushers in the league as well?
WEll one of the most held that never gets a flag for sure.
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Old 10-31-2010, 09:52 AM   #6
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Isn't Hali one of the most held passrushers in the league as well?
Until we draft his sidekick.

We definitely need a bruiser MLB or an opposite edge rusher...
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Old 10-31-2010, 09:57 AM   #7
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Until we draft his sidekick.

We definitely need a bruiser MLB or an opposite edge rusher...
This is something I've been struggling with. Not many 3-4 defenses have an outstanding pass rusher on the left side. I'm not convinced this is the answer.

I know I"m alone on this, but I think Shaun Smith is average at best against the pass and Ron Edwards has been so-so this season. I think the bigger key to the pass rush is getting good contribution from Tyson Jackson on pass downs and getting a consistently legit presence at NT.
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This is something I've been struggling with. Not many 3-4 defenses have an outstanding pass rusher on the left side. I'm not convinced this is the answer.

I know I"m alone on this, but I think Shaun Smith is average at best against the pass and Ron Edwards has been so-so this season. I think the bigger key to the pass rush is getting good contribution from Tyson Jackson on pass downs and getting a consistently legit presence at NT.
You still need a rusher opposite of Hali. As I noted a lot of guys sacks come from the rush of another guy. This is why two good outside guys really compliment each other in a 3-4 front.
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You still need a rusher opposite of Hali. As I noted a lot of guys sacks come from the rush of another guy. This is why two good outside guys really compliment each other in a 3-4 front.
You do, but I think a lot of people think the answer is to put two elite pass rushers opposite each other. Pittsburgh is the only successful 3-4 defense that does that, unless someone can think of another team that does. Of course it's a great thing to have. I just happen to think that especially on the left side, you need a DE that is stout against the run, fluid enough to be effective in the pass, and puts just enough pressure to contain the QB. In other words, we don't need another Tamba Hali necessarily.

Because these guys aren't elite rushers, I think the best thing you can do for the other side of the rush is to get more consistent play from the defensive line. I like what Shaun Smith has done, but I think people need to watch him more carefully on passing downs. There are a lot of downs where he gets absolutely swallowed up.
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This is something I've been struggling with. Not many 3-4 defenses have an outstanding pass rusher on the left side. I'm not convinced this is the answer.

I know I"m alone on this, but I think Shaun Smith is average at best against the pass and Ron Edwards has been so-so this season. I think the bigger key to the pass rush is getting good contribution from Tyson Jackson on pass downs and getting a consistently legit presence at NT.
For the money (not that I care what he's paid. As a fan all that matters is he's tying up a $#it ton of cap space) you're damned right Jackson needs to produce.

And FTR all solid 3-4 defenses did have both a stud L and ROLB who could rush the passer.

Pitt goes without mention. When the Panthers first started off under Capers they were able to contend because they had Greene and Lloyd.

You absolutely must be ABLE to rush from either side. You don't do it every down but the ability to do so has to be there...
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For the money (not that I care what he's paid. As a fan all that matters is he's tying up a $#it ton of cap space) you're damned right Jackson needs to produce.

And FTR all solid 3-4 defenses did have both a stud L and ROLB who could rush the passer.

Pitt goes without mention. When the Panthers first started off under Capers they were able to contend because they had Greene and Lloyd.

You absolutely must be ABLE to rush from either side. You don't do it every down but the ability to do so has to be there...
Don't agree. Baltimore, San Diego and Dallas (regardless of record, they're good defenses), and the Jets have good not great pass rushers on the left side.

I'd love to have 2 elite pass rushers and I obviously want some presence in the pass rush. I just happen to think that it's a lot better to have on the left side a stud run stopper / coverage guy who rushes the pass well enough than a stud pass rusher who can sort of cover the run and pass.
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