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**bevischief** · 11-30-2011, 09:29 AM

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What If The QBOTF Isn't There?

1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST

From the FanPosts -Joel

As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III.

However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy.

Star-divide
Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin.

So what's the problem? There are several:

1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck.

2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF?

3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one.

4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged.

5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity.

6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else.

7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm.

So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects.

Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.

Frankie · 11-30-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Flynn is a FA after this season.

Just FYI.

I'm very curious about Philadelphia's Kafka too.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Again, I'm open to Flynn if and only if we have no intentions of actually drafting our own guy - and I'll admit, his appeal is as much about his play as it is about him learning under the best QB coach in the NFL and behind the best QB in the NFL.

Who is that?

milkman · 11-30-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I'm very curious about Philadelphia's Kafka too.

Who is that?

Tom Clements.

Frankie · 11-30-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

I know the FO would be ecstatic if the QBOTF is not there. That relieves them of the pressure of doing what they do not want to do and that is draft a 1st round QB. They can then go into the season with Cassel, Orton, and Stanzi and "hope" one of them is successful enough to quiet the fanbase.

IF Stanzi ever gets a fair chance to compete. So far indications are he won't.

**The Franchise** · 11-30-2011, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Flynn is a FA after this season.

Just FYI.

Yeah....and I think they're going to have to franchise Finley.

**the Talking Can** · 11-30-2011, 06:19 PM

you can shove flynn up stanzi's ass and throw them both off a bridge...

anything that is not drafting a 1rd round QB next year is a complete and total ****ing disaster...

**DeezNutz** · 11-30-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you can shove flynn up stanzi's ass and throw them both off a bridge...

Through one of those covered wooden bridges in Iowa, no less. And I'm afraid that classic tandem would sink quickly because of all of the Iowa homers attached to Stanzi's sack.

ILChief · 11-30-2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Flynn is a FA after this season.

Just FYI.

Carl Peterson approves this post

KC Hawks · 11-30-2011, 06:26 PM

Granted, it was one game and it was the preseason, but I thought Flynn looked awful vs the Chiefs.

I expect we'll sign him.

**Munson** · 11-30-2011, 06:42 PM

The Chiefs had better do whatever they have to do to make sure they come away with a QBOTF this coming year. The QB play has been so bad this year, they have no choice but to draft a legitimate replacement. We'll have a shot at Matt Barkley or RGIII. I'd be perfectly happy with either one.

If for some reason we don't draft a QB, we need a NTOTF. I haven't watched enough college football this year to know if there are any legit 1st round NT's worth taking. Also, drafting Trent Richardson sounds interesting. He would be a great compliment to Charles. If we end up trading down(which wouldn't surprise me at all), we could use another pass rushing OLB, a beastly MLB, or a starting guard/center/RT.

stonedstooge · 11-30-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Carl Peterson approves this post

And Clark asks "How cheap?"

Buckweath · 11-30-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson

The Chiefs had better do whatever they have to do to make sure they come away with a QBOTF this coming year. The QB play has been so bad this year, they have no choice but to draft a legitimate replacement. We'll have a shot at Matt Barkley or RGIII. I'd be perfectly happy with either one.

If for some reason we don't draft a QB, we need a NTOTF. I haven't watched enough college football this year to know if there are any legit 1st round NT's worth taking. Also, drafting Trent Richardson sounds interesting. He would be a great compliment to Charles. If we end up trading down(which wouldn't surprise me at all), we could use another pass rushing OLB, a beastly MLB, or a starting guard/center/RT.

Lol, Charles (if he comes back the same he was) doesn't need a Trent Richardson compliment. He needs only a good enough powerful back. It's like you would put Charles and Peterson on the same team, do you really need that?? And trust me, having two supertar RBs on this team would only compensate marginally for the lack of QB.

This team has to do everything possible to get a top QB prospect in the first round. Anything else will be unacceptable.

This team also needs a nose tackle but with the return of Berry and if you put a decent QB on this team that can actually move the chains a bit to give some breaks to the defense, well a nose tackle as a top 10 pick is a NO NO.
In the second round though, that would be perfect.

Okie_Apparition · 11-30-2011, 07:00 PM

Charles was only good because he played a easy schedule anyway/trolling

**Munson** · 11-30-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

Lol, Charles (if he comes back the same he was) doesn't need a Trent Richardson compliment. He needs only a good enough powerful back. It's like you would put Charles and Peterson on the same team, do you really need that?? And trust me, having two supertar RBs on this team would only compensate marginally for the lack of QB.

This team has to do everything possible to get a top QB prospect in the first round. Anything else will be unacceptable.

This team also needs a nose tackle but with the return of Berry and if you put a decent QB on this team that can actually move the chains a bit to give some breaks to the defense, well a nose tackle as a top 10 pick is a NO NO.
In the second round though, that would be perfect.

Drafting Richardson would also be an insurance policy. Nobody knows if Charles will ever be the same after the knee injury. Maybe he won't have the same speed and agility, or maybe he gets injured again. I hope he comes back 100%, but you just never know.

O.city · 11-30-2011, 07:42 PM

Couple things.

Tannehill, Foles, or Jones. No thanks. Atleast not until round 2 or 3.

I think Charles will eventually return to what he was. By the time next season starts it will pretty much be a year since he went down. With the technology and rehab they will go thru I think it will be fine.

I like RGIII or Barkley. They both are football guys. However, I don't really care if they are good guys or boy scouts like this front office wants. These guys are professional athletes who play on the team I like. As long as they are throwing touchdowns and leading us to playoff wins and Sb contention I don't care if they are assholes.

Just win baby.

HMc · 11-30-2011, 08:19 PM

i would deal all 7 picks to get Luck or RG3. Seriously. Those other 6 picks are only going to get us 2 or 3 mid level scrubs anyway to play on a team that will continue to suck without a franchise QB for another decade

11-30-2011, 09:29 AM
bevischief .... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere Kansas Casino cash: $7729352 VARSITY	What If The QBOTF Isn't There? http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/1...here#storyjump What If The QBOTF Isn't There? 1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST From the FanPosts -Joel As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III. However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy. Star-divide Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin. So what's the problem? There are several: 1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck. 2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF? 3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one. 4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged. 5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity. 6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else. 7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm. So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects. Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.
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11-30-2011, 06:26 PM	#98
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11-30-2011, 06:42 PM	#99
Munson Roy E. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Olathe, KS Casino cash: $8169646	The Chiefs had better do whatever they have to do to make sure they come away with a QBOTF this coming year. The QB play has been so bad this year, they have no choice but to draft a legitimate replacement. We'll have a shot at Matt Barkley or RGIII. I'd be perfectly happy with either one. If for some reason we don't draft a QB, we need a NTOTF. I haven't watched enough college football this year to know if there are any legit 1st round NT's worth taking. Also, drafting Trent Richardson sounds interesting. He would be a great compliment to Charles. If we end up trading down(which wouldn't surprise me at all), we could use another pass rushing OLB, a beastly MLB, or a starting guard/center/RT.
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Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	Charles was only good because he played a easy schedule anyway/trolling
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11-30-2011, 07:42 PM	#104
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	Couple things. Tannehill, Foles, or Jones. No thanks. Atleast not until round 2 or 3. I think Charles will eventually return to what he was. By the time next season starts it will pretty much be a year since he went down. With the technology and rehab they will go thru I think it will be fine. I like RGIII or Barkley. They both are football guys. However, I don't really care if they are good guys or boy scouts like this front office wants. These guys are professional athletes who play on the team I like. As long as they are throwing touchdowns and leading us to playoff wins and Sb contention I don't care if they are assholes. Just win baby.
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11-30-2011, 08:19 PM	#105
HMc from the very deep south. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia. Casino cash: $9944900	i would deal all 7 picks to get Luck or RG3. Seriously. Those other 6 picks are only going to get us 2 or 3 mid level scrubs anyway to play on a team that will continue to suck without a franchise QB for another decade
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