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Old 12-16-2013, 10:59 AM  
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RGIII Benched because he is Black? Michael Irvin...
There has been no shortage of controversy surrounding Mike Shanahan’s decision to bench Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III for the rest of the season. Between speculation that Shanahan is intentionally trying to get himself fired and reports that RG3 is furious, the situation has turned into a full-blown circus. And now, Michael Irvin has attempted to introduce the race element.

During halftime of Thursday Night Football, Irvin and the rest of the NFL Network panel discussed the mess in Washington. Deion Sanders said he thought RG3 “needed a little humble pie.” Irvin basically said the Redskins wouldn’t be handling the situation the same way if they had a white quarterback.

“You are tearing him down,” Irvin ranted, via Dan Steinberg of DC Sports Bog. “I doubt that any man can come back from this, walking around three weeks around these guys that you have to lead. And I don’t want to hear about teammates either; we understand as teammates and players, quarterbacks do get special treatment.

“You don’t see people arguing when Peyton Manning or Tom Brady gets (special treatment) — I don’t want you arguing when this kid gets it. He’s the quarterback, and the rest of us brothers have to understand that and treat him as such. I’ve got an issue with all of it. … You think they could do this to Andrew Luck? Let me ask you that, you think they could do this to Luck?”

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Old 12-16-2013, 01:43 PM   #91
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Based on the Schaub and Alex trades I think he'll bring back 2 2nds.
lolwut?

Cousins won't bring one 2nd round pick....let alone two 2nd round picks.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:44 PM   #92
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It's kind of funny that Kaepernick has mostly avoided this type of scrutiny although he's actually half black himself. I wonder if he looked more "black" would he experience something similar?
He started playing better. The rumblings about tattoos and immaturity started early on in the season. When he started playing well and they started winning, the whispers disappeared.

Like I said, this isn't straight up racism; had RGIII kept playing well we wouldn't have heard this. I just find it a little unsettling that most of the time a young, black QB starts to struggle, the immediate issue becomes one a 'diva' attitude and an unwillingness to lead. There have been loads of shitty QBs in this league and they didn't take these arrows. Someone mentioned Cutler - he wasn't getting blasted as a lousy leader until a little later in his career; his early struggles were simply the struggles of a young QB.

Others have mentioned Geno - the difference between those 2 is that the "Geno is a shitty leader" narrative has been largely played out; it was the focus of the draft leadup. And with Geno, there is actually some track record to suggest that Geno was a mediocre/poor leader in his years at WVU. Those were surfacing even when he was playing well.

Every single report around RGIII from college through last season was what a great person and leader he was. Suddenly when he's struggling it's not growing pains, it's a lack of personal character and accountability despite 5+ years of high level football that suggest otherwise.

That should make one take pause.
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Anyone calling RG3 a bust already is a ****ing moron.
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Irvin has a future as the next Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton once an opening is available.

If RGIII is under any special scrutiny, by the media or anyone else, it might be because they crapped themselves over how great this guy was going to be.
And that's certainly a fair possibility. Members of the media are often hypercritical of guys they once fawned over; it's almost as though they're bitter about being made look a fool. It could also be overcompensating. Guys like Rick Riley, Tom Jackson and Bob Costas are the worst about this sort of thing; the bloviating asswipes that feel 'betrayed'. The PED stuff was the worst display of that you'll ever see.

Maybe there is something to the media types overcompensating for 'buying in' to the RGIII legend in 2012. Like I said, there may be some other explanations for it. But it's worth having the conversation - dismissing it out of hand is willfully ignorant. It suggests that RGIII's struggles have been treated the same as any other young QBs and I simply don't see how you can view what's gone on and believe that to be true.

I can't claim omniscience here; I can't read these guys minds. But the vitriol being tossed RGIIIs way is deserving of suspicion and I have no problem with Michael Irvin wondering aloud why that may be the case.
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lolwut?

Cousins won't bring one 2nd round pick....let alone two 2nd round picks.
I disgree, but we'll see. I think it's lock they are showcasing him and he gets traded this off season.
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I disgree, but we'll see. I think it's lock they are showcasing him and he gets traded this off season.
Oh I fully expect them to try and trade him this offseason. I just don't see him fetching two 2nd round picks.
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Anyone calling RG3 a bust already is a ****ing moron.
Most fans these days expect a QB to be an all-pro in week 1. It's crazy.
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Oh I fully expect them to try and trade him this offseason. I just don't see him fetching two 2nd round picks.
I think he is similar to Schaub when he was traded from Atlanta so I'm basing it more off of that haul.

Anything much less than a 2nd and change they'll just keep him.
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Didn't Irvin get fired from ESPN for saying. Romo had to have some "brother" in him? Back when Romo would run around and make a play? Irvin has a history of being a racist and a race baiter. He is trash and can not be taken serious.
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I think he is simialr to Schaub when he was traded from Atlanta so I'm basing it more off of that haul.
What's going to be interesting to watch is how divided that fan base is going to be this offseason. You know there is going to be a good number of Redskins fans that want Cousins as their QB and RG3 to be traded.
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Well they were going to bench Geno too so it must be a black thing, it couldn't be a playing like shit thing.
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I can't claim omniscience here; I can't read these guys minds. But the vitriol being tossed RGIIIs way is deserving of suspicion and I have no problem with Michael Irvin wondering aloud why that may be the case.
Neither can I, and I appreciate your well expressed opinion, but it's been my experience that the opposite is true; that criticism by the media towards minorities is often restricted for fear of exactly what they're being accused of now, and that's racism.

As for the QB, he's having a poor year, his team is losing, and that gets anyone criticized...I don't really see him receiving any more...my God, look how they're about to lynch Romo today. Sure, he still has his job, but they're also still in the hunt for the playoffs...otherwise?
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Didn't Irvin get fired from ESPN for saying. Romo had to have some "brother" in him? Back when Romo would run around and make a play? Irvin has a history of being a racist and a race baiter. He is trash and can not be taken serious.
This is what he said.

Michael Irvin on the Dan Patrick show said: "He (Tony Romo) doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete," Irvin said of Romo. "But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down."
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Michael Irvin was great at catching footballs despite being a cokehead freakout so of course he's qualified to give his opinion nationally.

There's nothing like hookers and blow to legitimize your opinion. Before you call me racist I don't want to hear Charlie Sheen's opinion either.
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