** OFFICIAL: "Do You Believe in God and an Afterlife?" Thread** - Page 8

Mr. Kotter · 11:26 AM

Simple question.

I'm just curious how representative this place is, compared with mainstream America on the question. A few threads of late, just got me wondering....

Please feel free to discuss.

Logical · 12-01-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal

All you have to do is look at the fact that the first three commandments govern the relationship between God and man, the fourth thru eight govern relationships between people, and the final two govern private thoughts.

This is the interpretation from the Lutherans and Catholics:

"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."

What's interpreted in bold type is why God can be vengeful.

Exactly, a perfect reason that I rejected my Catholicism, under such a scenario the Lord is the ultimate hypocrite and sinner.

Logical · 12-01-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

i believe in god but dont believe that he believes in conformity.

Rep, outstanding way to look at it.

boogblaster · 12-01-2006, 05:21 PM

Modern God praises you for admitting your sins..Old testament God kicked your ass for even thinking about sinning..Moderization of belief is, if people don't really care, I'll be a asshole till I get called on it..then I'll repent.....

Logical · 12-01-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Richard Dawkins = Pompous ass.

I am not infected with a virus. I am a rationally thinking human being. I can function in society, and nothing about my beliefs are evil. THey are only threatening to guys like Dawkins because he can't disprove my beliefs any more than I can disprove his. The difference is, I don't go about pointing out "evil" where it does not exist.

He quotes Darwin like it is fact, even though Darwinism is a theory, but he scoffs at faith. He has faith in Darwin. What makes him smarter or better than me?

No you point out evil where you believe it exists based on the words passed down to you from bronze age goat herders.

Logical · 12-01-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

1%...wow, whatever church you went to that only gave 1% really did a number on you...

...it's a ton more than 1% my friend. How did you arrive at that figure?

What is a ton more, that is just as bad as the hyperbole Dave used with his 1% figure.

**alnorth** · 12-01-2006, 06:29 PM

I am atheist. I am not superior to christians, jews, muslims, etc. I dont smugly look down on religious people, because nearly everyone in my family, all my friends, coworkers, etc are religious to some degree or another and a few of them are highly intelligent, accomplished people.

I believe for nearly everyone that faith is a willful choice without regard to facts or evidence. For theists, their particular faith can never be disproven, and it usually brings a lot of happiness, satisfaction, and fulfillment to their lives. I believe that in the US, faith is not dangerous, nor is it an obstacle for human advancement. To me, its harmless and makes other people happy, and I cant prove to them that I'm right and they are wrong, so who the hell am I to try? Now, if we were an islamic society where half the people shout that an invisible man in the clouds wants them to murder infidels, I would probably have a hostile attitude towards faith, but this sort of thing is not a problem in our country and it will probably become less of a problem over time worldwide.

I personally dont even like to talk about religion with friends and family. I dont hide my lack of belief and I am ashamed of nothing, but every time I talk about atheism, someone tries to save me or tries to "prove" to me that their invisible man exists, and I must do what he says. So, as long as I am not being hurt by religion, I will continue to look forward to the Easter and Christmas holidays for whatever enjoyment I happen to get out of them, keep my own opinions to myself, and let everyone else live their lives in a society that guarantees religious freedom.

I am not one of those people who gets pissed off at the christmas tree or "in god we trust" on my money, those particular atheists should get a life.

PinkFloyd · 12-01-2006, 07:44 PM

This is a very good thread... Many nights before I go to sleep, I often wonder, is there really another life out there after death... I do believe in God, and I do think it would be awesome to have a spirit that would allow me to see others after death...

Do we really go to heaven and live on a cloud, or do we just go to another world like earth ? Do we just float around all day, or do we live in communities with other people ? Does our spirit get sleepy at night and go to sleep, or are we going to be awake for eternity ?

There are many, many, many answers I'd personally like to know... I know what the bible says, and I know what other believers say...

I DO think there is much more than just being put to rest in a grave... We all have heard stories on TV about people dying in the emergency room, and being elevated up and seeing themselves lying on the table, only to go back into their bodies after being revived...

I'm curious, but at the same time when I really think about it, I'm scared to think I will die someday...

This is just my thoughts about death... Call me whacko if you want --- i don't mind...

ZepSinger · 12-01-2006, 07:50 PM

I'm a born-again believer.

I also screw up every single day, every single hour. I still have a dark side that will never go away in this lifetime. I'm still tempted by all the same stuff that I was tempted by before this change. And I still give in to those things sometimes.

Luckily for me, perfection is not expected- it's not even possible. I just try to grow along spiritual lines and surround myself with other sinners who are trying to do the same. You just gratefully except His free gift and press on, doing the best you can. And you try to serve using your God-given talents. That's the reason I play guitar for my church's Worship Team. That's what I've done best for over 30 years. Seriously- if you read 'The Purpose-Driven Life', it could rock your world.

Z

Mr. Kotter · 12-01-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I am atheist. I am not superior to christians, jews, muslims, etc. I dont smugly look down on religious people, because nearly everyone in my family, all my friends, coworkers, etc are religious to some degree or another and a few of them are highly intelligent, accomplished people.

I believe for nearly everyone that faith is a willful choice without regard to facts or evidence. For theists, their particular faith can never be disproven, and it usually brings a lot of happiness, satisfaction, and fulfillment to their lives. I believe that in the US, faith is not dangerous, nor is it an obstacle for human advancement. To me, its harmless and makes other people happy, and I cant prove to them that I'm right and they are wrong, so who the hell am I to try? Now, if we were an islamic society where half the people shout that an invisible man in the clouds wants them to murder infidels, I would probably have a hostile attitude towards faith, but this sort of thing is not a problem in our country and it will probably become less of a problem over time worldwide.

I personally dont even like to talk about religion with friends and family. I dont hide my lack of belief and I am ashamed of nothing, but every time I talk about atheism, someone tries to save me or tries to "prove" to me that their invisible man exists, and I must do what he says. So, as long as I am not being hurt by religion, I will continue to look forward to the Easter and Christmas holidays for whatever enjoyment I happen to get out of them, keep my own opinions to myself, and let everyone else live their lives in a society that guarantees religious freedom.

I am not one of those people who gets pissed off at the christmas tree or "in god we trust" on my money, those particular atheists should get a life.

Awesome post.

"Peace be the journey" is usually how I approach folks like you. I'd like to think you'll find your way--but, if in your own mind, you have....who am I to really suggest otherwise? I guess I can never really be an evangelical with that attitude though--not that I've ever considered myself as such.

Mr. Kotter · 12-01-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkfloyd

This is a very good thread... Many nights before I go to sleep, I often wonder, is there really another life out there after death... I do believe in God, and I do think it would be awesome to have a spirit that would allow me to see others after death...

Do we really go to heaven and live on a cloud, or do we just go to another world like earth ? Do we just float around all day, or do we live in communities with other people ? Does our spirit get sleepy at night and go to sleep, or are we going to be awake for eternity ?

There are many, many, many answers I'd personally like to know... I know what the bible says, and I know what other believers say...

I DO think there is much more than just being put to rest in a grave... We all have heard stories on TV about people dying in the emergency room, and being elevated up and seeing themselves lying on the table, only to go back into their bodies after being revived...

I'm curious, but at the same time when I really think about it, I'm scared to think I will die someday...

This is just my thoughts about death... Call me whacko if you want --- i don't mind...

It sounds like you are in search....of what will work for you. Join the crowd.

Mr. Kotter · 12-01-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Organized religion isn't all bad. I used to think it was, but there are factions out there who don't try to control every moment of your life. I kinda like the place we attend. Good people.

I think that's a place many of us have been. Finding something or someplace you are comfortable with, based on where you've come from. I really think that's the key.

I know there are a lot of places out there who claim to have all the answers. Or claim all the answers are easily understood, only if one prayerfully and sincerely seeks those answers in any number of books. I say the books are fine....indeed, wonderful, in the good works and lives they can inspire. However, if anyone or any one book truly had ALL the answers...it would almost take the meaning out of life, wouldn't it?

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081 · 12-01-2006, 10:24 PM

I am a true product of conversion, and conversion by means of being called to the faith.
As a child I was not raised to be a Christian, or an athiest - or anything for that matter.
My parents did sent me to a church once or twice. My father did make a point of announcing statements like, "Don't believe in any of that Jesus crap".
...and all in all, I was more or less raised to be closer to science than anything.
Yet, seemingly out of nothing and nowhere I find myself a believer.
As far as spiritual discipline goes - like most others I am painfully human, and thusly painfully flawed.
I don't neccesarily push my line of reasoning onto others, but I am also not the least bit ashamed.

Simply Red · 12-01-2006, 10:40 PM

Yes, A believer I am.

KCJohnny · 12-01-2006, 11:50 PM

Just a reality check:
The demographics that post here (males 18-35) are the demographic least likely to attend religious services in the US.
KCJ
US Army Chaplain Corps
Bachelor of Theology

Mr. Kotter · 12-02-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Just a reality check:
The demographics that post here (males 18-35) are the demographic least likely to attend religious services in the US.
KCJ
US Army Chaplain Corps
Bachelor of Theology

I was hoping you might pop-in...now if we can only get Chieficus to pop in.

I understand your point, but actually...even with that demographic, we aren't too far off from the "average" of mainstream America, which is surprising to me.

Like you seem to believe, I thought we'd be skewed more the non-believer/atheist direction.

MK
MA Secondary Ed
MA Educational Administration
PhD in Shool of Hard Knocks

Heh.

View Poll Results: Which of the following most closely describes your beliefs:
I believe, and live accordingly.	16	11.19%
I believe, should strive accordingly....better than I do.	64	44.76%
I believe, but am not sure...	11	7.69%
I wanna believe, but have serious doubts...	10	6.99%
I have no clue--and neither do you or anyone else.	19	13.29%
I don't believe "in the myths of bronze age goat herders" or other similar "myths." However, I live a responsible and respectful life.	20	13.99%
I don't believe, and I live however the hell I choose.	2	1.40%
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12-01-2006, 11:21 AM
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12-01-2006, 06:29 PM	#111
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	I am atheist. I am not superior to christians, jews, muslims, etc. I dont smugly look down on religious people, because nearly everyone in my family, all my friends, coworkers, etc are religious to some degree or another and a few of them are highly intelligent, accomplished people. I believe for nearly everyone that faith is a willful choice without regard to facts or evidence. For theists, their particular faith can never be disproven, and it usually brings a lot of happiness, satisfaction, and fulfillment to their lives. I believe that in the US, faith is not dangerous, nor is it an obstacle for human advancement. To me, its harmless and makes other people happy, and I cant prove to them that I'm right and they are wrong, so who the hell am I to try? Now, if we were an islamic society where half the people shout that an invisible man in the clouds wants them to murder infidels, I would probably have a hostile attitude towards faith, but this sort of thing is not a problem in our country and it will probably become less of a problem over time worldwide. I personally dont even like to talk about religion with friends and family. I dont hide my lack of belief and I am ashamed of nothing, but every time I talk about atheism, someone tries to save me or tries to "prove" to me that their invisible man exists, and I must do what he says. So, as long as I am not being hurt by religion, I will continue to look forward to the Easter and Christmas holidays for whatever enjoyment I happen to get out of them, keep my own opinions to myself, and let everyone else live their lives in a society that guarantees religious freedom. I am not one of those people who gets pissed off at the christmas tree or "in god we trust" on my money, those particular atheists should get a life. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry Last edited by alnorth; 12-01-2006 at 06:41 PM..
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12-01-2006, 07:44 PM	#112
PinkFloyd I've Become - Comfortably Numb Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Cameron, Missouri Casino cash: $10003795	This is a very good thread... Many nights before I go to sleep, I often wonder, is there really another life out there after death... I do believe in God, and I do think it would be awesome to have a spirit that would allow me to see others after death... Do we really go to heaven and live on a cloud, or do we just go to another world like earth ? Do we just float around all day, or do we live in communities with other people ? Does our spirit get sleepy at night and go to sleep, or are we going to be awake for eternity ? There are many, many, many answers I'd personally like to know... I know what the bible says, and I know what other believers say... I DO think there is much more than just being put to rest in a grave... We all have heard stories on TV about people dying in the emergency room, and being elevated up and seeing themselves lying on the table, only to go back into their bodies after being revived... I'm curious, but at the same time when I really think about it, I'm scared to think I will die someday... This is just my thoughts about death... Call me whacko if you want --- i don't mind... __________________ Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, 'Where have I gone wrong?' Then a voice says to me, 'This is going to take more than one night.'
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12-01-2006, 07:50 PM	#113
ZepSinger Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $10004900	I'm a born-again believer. I also screw up every single day, every single hour. I still have a dark side that will never go away in this lifetime. I'm still tempted by all the same stuff that I was tempted by before this change. And I still give in to those things sometimes. Luckily for me, perfection is not expected- it's not even possible. I just try to grow along spiritual lines and surround myself with other sinners who are trying to do the same. You just gratefully except His free gift and press on, doing the best you can. And you try to serve using your God-given talents. That's the reason I play guitar for my church's Worship Team. That's what I've done best for over 30 years. Seriously- if you read 'The Purpose-Driven Life', it could rock your world. Z __________________ test
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12-01-2006, 10:24 PM	#117
Chiefs_Fan_n_64081 Royal Sex Machine Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: where ever I happen to be Casino cash: $10004900	I am a true product of conversion, and conversion by means of being called to the faith. As a child I was not raised to be a Christian, or an athiest - or anything for that matter. My parents did sent me to a church once or twice. My father did make a point of announcing statements like, "Don't believe in any of that Jesus crap". ...and all in all, I was more or less raised to be closer to science than anything. Yet, seemingly out of nothing and nowhere I find myself a believer. As far as spiritual discipline goes - like most others I am painfully human, and thusly painfully flawed. I don't neccesarily push my line of reasoning onto others, but I am also not the least bit ashamed.
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12-01-2006, 10:40 PM	#118
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	Yes, A believer I am.
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12-01-2006, 11:50 PM	#119
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Just a reality check: The demographics that post here (males 18-35) are the demographic least likely to attend religious services in the US. KCJ US Army Chaplain Corps Bachelor of Theology __________________
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