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Old 10-05-2009, 01:50 PM  
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At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse?
After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment:

"We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone."

Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season.

Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread.

Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals):

1st downs: (63) (62)

3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%)

Total yards: (1145) (986)

Rushing yards: (554) (406)

Passing yards: (591) (580)

Sacks Allowed: (12) (13)

Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230

Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG)


Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4.


Defensively:

1st downs allowed: (74) (85)

3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%)

Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516)

Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514)

Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002)

Sacks: (3) (5)

Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG)

Turnover margin: (+2) (Even)

Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense.


The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players?

What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly ****ing basis.

As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me.

The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me.

There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working...

Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some ****ing improvement. Not necessarily wins.

IMPROVEMENT.
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:48 PM   #106
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No one cares.

OTW is using last season simply to show what a cluster**** this year is. It's far from praise of any kind.
When you take a cluster**** and try to right the ship? WTF do you think is going to happen....

Not even Jesus himself can un**** this team after what we just went through.
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:49 PM   #107
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I don't think anyone expected us to lose by 11 to the Giants?

Could it have been worse? Yeah. It could have been 24-0 in the first half. We made a couple plays that made it only shitty instead of downright disgusting.
It could have been much worse if Eli Manning didn't suffer an injury and had to be removed from the game.

It would have been much worse if the Giants hadn't decided to basically run out the clock with David Carr at the helm.

It could have been much worse if the Giants hadn't been playing second teamers on defense in the second half.

The Chiefs lost.

Period.

And, they looked like ****ing dogshit in the process.
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:51 PM   #108
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We know, GoChiefs. You expect LJ to rush for more than a 100 yards each week and you expect the defense to shut down opposing offenses.

It's hilarious. Really.
Why are you putting words in my mouth all of a sudden?

I think this defense sucks, but occasionally a guy like Hali or Flowers steps up and makes a play.

I do think we have shown signs of life in the running game and will continue to get better in that regard.

We're going to be showing major signs of improvement by December. And even then you will be hating.

It's hilarious. Really.
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:51 PM   #109
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It could have been much worse if Eli Manning didn't suffer an injury and had to be removed from the game.

It would have been much worse if the Giants hadn't decided to basically run out the clock with David Carr at the helm.

It could have been much worse if the Giants hadn't been playing second teamers on defense in the second half.

The Chiefs lost. Period. And, they looked like ****ing dogshit in the process.
When you start with a Shit sandwich Dane, there isnt a GM, HC or God in this universe that cand make it eatible.....I actually feel sorry at times for Haley and Pioli...
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:54 PM   #110
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I'm also getting sick of the "our offense left our defense on the field all day" argument.

Bullshit.

Haley preached on and on about how in shape this team was/would be. And you can look at any number of teams that had $3itty offenses and great (not just good, but GREAT) defenses. The Bucs, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, 90's Chiefs most of the time, Dolphins, etc.

Their offenses wouldn't show up entire games and yet the D would make plays to WIN games at the end...
Well, I'm sure where this came from exactly, but that is neither here nor there.

But the Bucs, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, 90's Chiefs are/were outstanding defenses that got off the field, and have/ playmakers to make plays to win games in the end.

Even if the offenses didn't show up, those defenses made enough plays and stops to provide their own rests.
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:55 PM   #111
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These stats are skewed. Last year, the 3 of the 4 teams we played weren't playoff caliber teams. This year, 3 of the 4 are superbowl quality teams. Thats a huge difference. PLUS, that team had 2 years under herm in that crappy system. This team has had a month with the new offense not to mention the new players.

Its like comparing an apple to a hamburger...you can't.
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These stats are skewed. Last year, the 3 of the 4 teams we played weren't playoff caliber teams. This year, 3 of the 4 are superbowl quality teams. Thats a huge difference.
GREAT point. We actually looked like a real football team against the Raiders. We just had a shotgun pointed at our feet.

And like I said, with such a small sample size, one good game against the Broncos is really skewing the data.
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When you start with a Shit sandwich Dane, there isnt a GM, HC or God in this universe that cand make it eatible.....I actually feel sorry at times for Haley and Pioli...
Not me.

Especially considering what Denver's done this season.
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It could have been much worse if Eli Manning didn't suffer an injury and had to be removed from the game.

It would have been much worse if the Giants hadn't decided to basically run out the clock with David Carr at the helm.

It could have been much worse if the Giants hadn't been playing second teamers on defense in the second half.

The Chiefs lost.

Period.

And, they looked like ****ing dogshit in the process.
From an offensive side, it was very offensive.

From the defensive side, I don't think it was nearly as bad as you might think. It's important to focus not on the players who won't be here, but the ones who you can build around. I thought the defensive line played much better yesterday. The ILBs didn't play bad. The corners, I though, did a really good job in many instances of going toe-to-toe with receivers.

They still get inconsistent pressure because Hali is way too inconsistent and Vrabel is mostly ineffective. And we need a playmaker at safety. Most of our blown plays were the result of a safety getting there a step or two too late in zone coverage. If we bring in a playmaking safety and an OLB/DE, the defense could actually be okay. And a nose tackle would be nice too. But at least you can boil down the biggest problems to a few key positions, as opposed to an entire defense.
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Why are you putting words in my mouth all of a sudden?

I think this defense sucks, but occasionally a guy like Hali or Flowers steps up and makes a play.

I do think we have shown signs of life in the running game and will continue to get better in that regard.

We're going to be showing major signs of improvement by December. And even then you will be hating.

It's hilarious. Really.
Well, I think you're out of your ****ing mind. As usual.

You're a certified Chiefs Fluffer. This team could be the 1976 & 1977 Tampa Buccaneers and you'd still be waiting outside the stadium to fluff each player and coach.
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The fact that people even care about last years teams and anything Herm Edwards has done here is ****ing stupid....

This is a total new beginning... God so many people love fail and embrace this stupid shit like reeruns in a room full of gum balls...
I don't think there are many people longing for the days of Herman ****ing Edwards.

They are simply wondering if the people in charge now are any better.
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Not me.

Especially considering what Denver's done this season.
Give Denver Herm and Carl for 3 years then get back to me... Oh and sprinkle in a touch of DV for kicks....


Just saying...
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Not me.

Especially considering what Denver's done this season.
Denver had more pieces than the Chiefs. That offensive line and those receivers blow the Chiefs' away.
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I don't think there are many people longing for the days of Herman ****ing Edwards.

They are simply wondering if the people in charge now are any better.
A ****ing drunk monkey is better....

Shit we played 3 teams that have a legimate shot of a deep playoff run... Tell me that last years coached team would fair ANY better this year with Herm? Please?

Hell the Raiders put up 300 ****ing yards rushing last year at arrowhead. 300 ****ING YARDS....
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Well, I think you're out of your ****ing mind. As usual.

You're a certified Chiefs Fluffer. This team could be the 1976 & 1977 Tampa Buccaneers and you'd still be waiting outside the stadium to fluff each player and coach.
I'm not a fluffer. We suck. I actually got laughed at four weeks ago for saying the Chiefs had taken a step backwards, but it has turned out to be totally true. I just don't see it as a bad thing. You apparently believe it means the franchise is full of shit and is headed for doom. I'm more patient.
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