Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel

[Hootie]

Pushead...not sure I get your point...

Plaxico Burress predicted the Patriots would score 17 points...

Tom Brady laughed at him and basically mocked the Giants...because you know...they set so many offensive records that year.

THEY SCORED 14 POINTS AND TOM BRADY PLAYED A BAD GAME.

Period.

He choked away the biggest game of his life and you can't say otherwise...but try and spin the David Tyree angle some more.

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Pushead...not sure I get your point...

Plaxico Burress predicted the Patriots would score 17 points...

Tom Brady laughed at him and basically mocked the Giants...because you know...they set so many offensive records that year.

THEY SCORED 14 POINTS AND TOM BRADY PLAYED A BAD GAME.

Period.

He choked away the biggest game of his life and you can't say otherwise...but try and spin the David Tyree angle some more.

yes on a 53 man roster that one man lost the game for them.....actually Rodney Harrison choked in the biggest game of their lives...

[Hootie]

you know what the BIGGEST shame of it all is?

The Patriots NEVER respected Adam Vinatieri enough to reward him with a Super Bowl MVP...

You have three MVP's from the Patriots dynasty...

Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and Adam Vinatieri.

Wouldn't have won a single Super Bowl without all three of those pieces...take 1 away, any 1, pick 1...no Super Bowls.

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by Hootie

you know what the BIGGEST shame of it all is?

The Patriots NEVER respected Adam Vinatieri enough to reward him with a Super Bowl MVP...

You have three MVP's from the Patriots dynasty...

Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and Adam Vinatieri.

Wouldn't have won a single Super Bowl without all three of those pieces...take 1 away, any 1, pick 1...no Super Bowls.

Rex Grossman should have won it for the Colts then if that's your dumb argument....

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

Rex Grossman should have won it for the Colts then if that's your dumb argument....

I guess somehow people forget how well Peyton Manning played in that Super Bowl against the Bears...

Against the best defense the league has seen since the Ravens won the Super Bowl earlier in the decade...

But you're right...that was all Grossman and the Colts defense.

[Pushead2]

and the sad thing is I personally think Manning is a better QB...but the way you shit on Brady is reeruned.

[Hootie]

They try and talk about weapons...

Lets go watch some 2007 Patriots game tape and watch how many times Brady heaves the ball 55 yards into double coverage (Miami anybody?) to see Randy Moss make remarkable catch after remarkable catch...

Sorry...Peyton Manning has NEVER had anything CLOSE to 2007 Randy Moss...Peyton and his receivers do it all with timing...he's never had a security blanket to heave to when nothing else is open.

And lets be honest...

Randy Moss IS/WAS so good...SO good...we thought Daunte Culpepper was a top tier QB for YEARS...Nick Saban traded a 2nd round pick for Culpepper rather than signing Drew Brees off the street for NO compensation.

[DBOSHO]

Originally Posted by Hootie

They try and talk about weapons...

Lets go watch some 2007 Patriots game tape and watch how many times Brady heaves the ball 55 yards into double coverage (Miami anybody?) to see Randy Moss make remarkable catch after remarkable catch...

Sorry...Peyton Manning has NEVER had anything CLOSE to 2007 Randy Moss...Peyton and his receivers do it all with timing...he's never had a security blanket to heave to when nothing else is open.

And lets be honest...

Randy Moss IS/WAS so good...SO good...we thought Daunte Culpepper was a top tier QB for YEARS...Nick Saban traded a 2nd round pick for Culpepper rather than signing Drew Brees off the street for NO compensation.

Peyton ever have wide recievers that quit on routes?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Peyton ever have wide recievers that quit on routes?

oh so suddenly Randy Moss is Oakland Raiders Randy Moss, and since Wes Welker was injured now we're going to play the "Tom Brady needs WEAPONS!" card!

Oh, ok. Got it.

Peyton Manning has Dallas Clark! It isn't fair!

(Coming from the same guys who tell us how unimportant the TE position is)...

Such hypocrites when it comes to this debate...it's hysterical.

FORTUNATELY...outside of a few people...everyone gets it now...

The Pats are DONE.

The Colts aren't...

[DBOSHO]

Originally Posted by Hootie

oh so suddenly Randy Moss is Oakland Raiders Randy Moss, and since Wes Welker was injured now we're going to play the "Tom Brady needs WEAPONS!" card!

Oh, ok. Got it.

Peyton Manning has Dallas Clark! It isn't fair!

(Coming from the same guys who tell us how unimportant the TE position is)...

Such hypocrites when it comes to this debate...it's hysterical.

FORTUNATELY...outside of a few people...everyone gets it now...

The Pats are DONE.

The Colts aren't...

Did you watch the pats this year? Moss jogged on some of his routes. Even the espn dudes acknowledge it. I never said randy was bad so stfu.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Did you watch the pats this year? Moss jogged on some of his routes. Even the espn dudes acknowledge it. I never said randy was bad so stfu.

have you watched Randy Moss for the past 12 years or are you just now tuning in?

[Pushead2]

he went 25/38 for 247 2tds 1int
Grossman 20/28 165 1td 2int

[Pushead2]

Grossman also fumbled twice and it wasn't pressure because he was only sacked once.

[Hootie]

Dude...

The Bears defense led them to the Super Bowl...ALL YEAR LONG they played with Grossman or Griese...

ALL YEAR LONG...

But suddenly they lose all credibility as an opponent because Rex Grossman was their QB?



Manning handled that defense almost flawlessly (especially compared to the rest of the NFL)...38 minutes T.O.P.

but that doesn't count because he only beat Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl..

So Tom Brady has 4 Super Bowls (because that Tyree catch doesn't count) and Manning has 0 Super Bowls...

Right?

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Dude...

The Bears defense led them to the Super Bowl...ALL YEAR LONG they played with Grossman or Griese...

ALL YEAR LONG...

But suddenly they lose all credibility as an opponent because Rex Grossman was their QB?



Manning handled that defense almost flawlessly (especially compared to the rest of the NFL)...38 minutes T.O.P.

but that doesn't count because he only beat Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl..

So Tom Brady has 4 Super Bowls (because that Tyree catch doesn't count) and Manning has 0 Super Bowls...

Right?

not at all, but Grossman played horribly....Grossman the good half showed up in that game and Peyton still would have no ring...