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[Tribal Warfare]

I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed.



The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B.



Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Cassel is NOT a great leader. We hope this improves. And we hope that he'll be a good game manager.

Right now, what "he is" is a piece of shit. 44/46.

In fairness, he stepped into a difficult situation and had almost nothing to work with. A new team, new coaching staff, the offense was changed with only a week or so left in the preseason, no playmakers until Charles emerged, receivers who couldn't catch a cold, and a horrible offensive line.

I agree that he is going to have to have a better season but I think a wait and see approach is a warranted before we deem him a "piece of shit."

[The Bad Guy]

Cassel leads by example?

What example would that be?

[CosmicPal]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Cassel leads by example?

What example would that be?

That you can start in the NFL with no college football experience?

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by penchief

In fairness, he stepped into a difficult situation and had almost nothing to work with. A new team, new coaching staff, the offense was changed with only a week or so left in the preseason, no playmakers until Charles emerged, receivers who couldn't catch a cold, and a horrible offensive line.

I agree that he is going to have to have a better season but I think a wait and see approach is a warranted before we deem him a "piece of shit."

Excellent points. Too many strikes against the position right off the bat to make a fair assessment.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by penchief

In fairness, he stepped into a difficult situation and had almost nothing to work with. A new team, new coaching staff, the offense was changed with only a week or so left in the preseason, no playmakers until Charles emerged, receivers who couldn't catch a cold, and a horrible offensive line.

I agree that he is going to have to have a better season but I think a wait and see approach is a warranted before we deem him a "piece of shit."

True. All sorts of difficult circumstances were facing him.

But I didn't think he was a high-quality player before we acquired him, so I'm loath to "wait and see" anything. I understand your perspective, but if you hated something from the on-set, it pretty much demands evidence to begin to shift your opinion.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed.



The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B.



Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.

Everyone here has a source and that source always supports their opinion. IT's stupid beyond belief. I don't believe a word of this shit.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by johnny961

Excellent points. Too many strikes against the position right off the bat to make a fair assessment.

And the single biggest strike against him was that he's not very talented.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Interesting info. But the news I got tonight was that Weis had no desire to be reunited with Clausen.

I was also told that the coordinators absolutely have input into player picks. Crennel was all over Berry for example. He wanted to run his pro day because of how much Monte Kiffin hyped him to Romeo.

I also don't believe that Haley is on any sort of hot seat, nor that the locker room was a problem last year. The problem in the locker room was Larry Johnson. Players continued to play hard for Haley all year. I really think Haley is an ascending coach. Romeo and Charlie also would not have signed on if Haley was just going to be here one year. Charlie has no desire to ever be a head coach again so he's not angling for anything. Romeo might, but I'm pretty confident Pioli is staying the course with Haley.

If this is true, and Weis wanted nothing to do with him, I'll eat my crow and be happy we passed on him. Truly. Weis should know about Jimmy more than anyone. That's good enough for me.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

If this is true, and Weis wanted nothing to do with him, I'll eat my crow and be happy we passed on him. Truly. Weis should know about Jimmy more than anyone. That's good enough for me.

This

Clausen was dead to me after we passed on him with 2A. Throw that together with the rest of the NFL passing on him mulitple times and the only fair assessment is that he is a dumpster fire.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

If Cassel is good....then we're going to be going QB sometime soon because Cassel isn't ****ing young.

He's 27. That's not old by any means. If he were a RB he might have 3 years left. For QB's, that's just entering the prime.

I really don't think that Weis wanted Clausen that bad. They could have taken him at 5, they didn't. They could have traded back up into the first to get him, they didn't. They could have taken him at 2a, they didn't. They could have traded up a few spots at 2b, they didn't. Same thing happened with Golden Tate, we passed.

We may have manufactured in our own minds and through various rumors that Weis really wanted his guys, when the reality may be that once he became a coordinator at the NFL level, he looked at it and said there wasn't a huge need to get these guys at this level. Weis may have been more concerned with how he could manufacture more points this year than who can be a QB down the road. And another thing we're forgetting is that Weis was hired in large part to help Matt Cassel succeed, not to help replace Matt Cassel. If the first thing you do is replace the QB, then it doesn't say much about your supposed ability to coach up QB's, especially one that Josh McDaniels supposedly coached up to a good year.

And again, I think we're overstating the influence Cassel has in the decision to bypass Clausen. I think it has more to do with the regime having confidence in Brodie Croyle. They seem to believe that Croyle still has the ability to be a starting QB, and that if Cassel fails, he has the ability to step in. That's what I take from all of Haley's comments on Croyle last year, and the decision to get rid of Thigpen. I don't necessarially agree with it, but they like Croyle...

[penchief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

True. All sorts of difficult circumstances were facing him.

But I didn't think he was a high-quality player before we acquired him, so I'm loath to "wait and see" anything. I understand your perspective, but if you hated something from the on-set, it pretty much demands evidence to begin to shift your opinion.

Well, he may not have had the type of season we all hoped for but he did handle all that adversity admirably in only his second full season as a starter. Which does say something about his character and leadership, IMO.

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

True. All sorts of difficult circumstances were facing him.

But I didn't think he was a high-quality player before we acquired him, so I'm loath to "wait and see" anything. I understand your perspective, but if you hated something from the on-set, it pretty much demands evidence to begin to shift your opinion.

I can understand your thinking there. When we got Cassel, my mindset wasn't so much that I was against giving him a shot(I knew Glassman Croyle wasn't our answer), but I thought we overpaid for a commodity that hadn't been around long enough to prove himself as an NFL starter. And 60+ million is a lot of cash to have out on a QB that the jury is still out on. I can really see your opinion here.

[rambleonthruthefog]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If that's the case, then both Haley and Pioli should be fired.

You don't draft someone at 36 who you target at 50 because someone else covets him. You let the board come to you. You also don't believe the misinformation that is out there.

You also don't fill the team with inferior talents who have good character simply because the coach is losing control of the team. If the coach loses control of the team, you ****ing fire the sonofabitch, cut out the cancer, and bring in better players.

On top of that, if Pioli wanted to add team speed, why did he draft the slowest safety in the draft who does almost nothing well, and an OLB who could barely crack a 5-flat 40?

Either your source is off or Pioli is a complete idiot piece of shit.

do you ever ? good lord! i bet you annoy the shit out of everyone around you. that guy in the group that everyone kinda dislikes, thats you.

[DaWolf]

We also had the opportunity to get Brady Quinn, Weis' other college QB, for dirt cheap too and passed. So again, if Charlie really wanted one of his old QB's, it's hard to believe that we'd pass on multiple opportunities to get them...

[KC Jones]

If Haley had lost (or was even losing) the locker room, no way does the team play like that down the stretch or kick ass in Denver. All we have to go on in this regard is the effort on the field. These guys did not lay down and wait for the season to end.