Chiefs Haley thinks Cassel's problem was the players around him - Page 8

Quesadilla Joe · 06-19-2010, 06:28 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rs-around-him/

After signing a $40 million contract and leaving the Patriots for the Chiefs last year, quarterback Matt Cassel saw his passer rating drop from 89.4 in 2008 to 69.9 in 2009.

Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks that had less to do with Cassel and more to do with the players around him.

"We had 50-plus drops last season. If those don't happen, people would look at Cassel differently," Haley told ESPN.com. "If we get the improved offensive play around him that we hope to, I think people will feel better about Matt Cassel."

Haley thinks the Chiefs have improved the talent on offense, and he says Cassel is doing the necessary work this offseason to make people feel better about him.

"This guy is making progress in a bunch of ways," Haley said. "He had a very difficult year last year, but he didn't crack. That's a good sign. He has been one of our best workers this offseason, if not the best. He's working."

el borracho · 06-19-2010, 07:44 PM

I guess we'll see this season. Can't say I have much faith in Cassel because the things I dislike the most about his game (weak arm and inaccuracy) are not correctable.

whoman69 · 06-19-2010, 08:51 PM

I'm tired of the homers who back guys that should have been gone long before they left. We have Grob, CP, Herm, and add to that list Cassel. No more apologies for sucking. The fact that the guy had as low a completion percentage as he did while not throwing the ball downfield is atrocious. He has 70s type completion percentages throwing the ball only a third as far. And to blame all the drops for his problems overlooks the fact that many of the drops were his fault in not getting the ball where it needed to be, often low or behind his receivers. I'm giving him a short leash this year. If he can't get the job done we need to see how well Croyle had done in being able to build up his body to stay on the field.

boogblaster · 06-19-2010, 08:58 PM

Start Croyle ... I think ....

orange · 06-19-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Answer this question...is USC a major college? You said he didn't play for a major college IDIOT. Your not the backup QB at USC without major talent. Bottom line...
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He didn't PLAY. He practiced, jackass! He never showed ANYTHING to get on the field. Maybe the Chiefs should make him a Tight End - those backup TEs at USC, whoa nellie!!!

Keep on sucking on him, though.

**Shaid** · 06-19-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

If anyone has an excuse that says it's the players around him, that would be Croyle.

Didn't Croyle and Cassel both have pretty much the same players? Actually, Croyle had Tony G so.....

Goldmember · 06-20-2010, 02:11 AM

yeah it was, the defensive players around him

Rasputin · 06-20-2010, 02:11 AM

I don't care what any body or expert says, it shouldn't take 16 games to drive a td in the first quart of a game for the season. 15 games with out an offensive TD that's like going 3.75 games with out scoring a TD. If we went a streatch of 3- 4 games with out scoreing an offensive TD heads would roll and fans would lose there freaking minds.

It's the starting QBs job to get the O on a roll and start scoreing not buy himself but get the ball where in needs to go and on time delivery.

I'm tired getting a back up vet QB comming here to be starter and suck ass then have all the excuses so they don't lose there job. Huard Cassle no differance. Excuses excuses excuses. just quit. Croyle didn't get the excuses like that and he got his ass kicked by the Titans because nobody would block. I watch how they play and Cassel has very poor delivery he is has slow motion reaction to blitz, i don't see much that he can improve at this stage of his career. What ever, can't wait for this to get started hopefully Cassel proves me wrong OR let Croyle do it.

Pioli Zombie · 06-20-2010, 06:48 AM

Relax people. Even the great, hall of famer, ****y ****erson struggled in his first year with a rebuilding team.

TRR · 06-20-2010, 07:17 AM

It doesn't matter if Cassel played at USC or not. Or that Rob Johnson (who was immensely talented) or David Booty fizzled in the NFL. The bottom line is that you don't get to the NFL by being marginally talented. It doesn't happen.

Are there more talented QB's in the league than others? Sure there are. Either way, you are a hell of an athlete if your playing QB on the NFL level.

Quit acting like Joe arm chair is more talented because Cassel didn't start for USC, and because he had a down year in his first season with new receivers that changed every week, a revolving door in front of him, no running game till mid-season, a new offense 10 days before the season started, and a sprained MCL.

Yea I know...excuses. All I've ever said is don't be so quick to hang him.
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dj56dt58 · 06-20-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

So once we surround Cassel with all Pros, people will feel better about him?

Brilliant....

Yeah because it takes all pros to hang onto the ****ing ball

milkman · 06-20-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

It doesn't matter if Cassel played at USC or not. Or that Rob Johnson (who was immensely talented) or David Booty fizzled in the NFL. The bottom line is that you don't get to the NFL by being marginally talented. It doesn't happen.

Are there more talented QB's in the league than others? Sure there are. Either way, you are a hell of an athlete if your playing QB on the NFL level.

Quit acting like Joe arm chair is more talented because Cassel didn't start for USC, and because he had a down year in his first season with new receivers that changed every week, a revolving door in front of him, no running game till mid-season, a new offense 10 days before the season started, and a sprained MCL.

Yea I know...excuses. All I've ever said is don't be so quick to hang him.
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You're a dumbass.

milkman · 06-20-2010, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

Yeah because it takes all pros to hang onto the ****ing ball

No it doesn't take all pros.

However, when you have receivers with a reputatuion already established for drops, and you team them with a QB who makes poor throws, you're going to see a shit load of drops.

Cheater5 · 06-20-2010, 08:10 AM

I'm pretty much down with what TRR said. Like most of us, at times last year I shot up off the couch and threw my hat at the screen at many of the under/over thrown balls to open receivers-"Are you f#*king kidding me!?"...
HOWEVER I think Cassel walked into the perfect storm; what key factors can you check Y or N that ANY QB would have had in place on the '09 Chiefs? I am not a student of QBs and their mechanics/skills. And I'm not a Cassel homer. I'd start Croyle if he were 20lbs heavier- then maybe he wouldn't be as frail as chalk. But like any organization- it takes leadership (read: coaching) to truly change.

**Bane** · 06-20-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If Cassel has MAJOR talent, please, define it.

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Originally Posted by orange

He didn't PLAY. He practiced, jackass! He never showed ANYTHING to get on the field. Maybe the Chiefs should make him a Tight End - those backup TEs at USC, whoa nellie!!!

Keep on sucking on him, though.

He's Pioli's tight end already.

**Bane** · 06-20-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheater5

I'm pretty much down with what TRR said. Like most of us, at times last year I shot up off the couch and threw my hat at the screen at many of the under/over thrown balls to open receivers-"Are you f#*king kidding me!?"...
HOWEVER I think Cassel walked into the perfect storm; what key factors can you check Y or N that ANY QB would have had in place on the '09 Chiefs? I am not a student of QBs and their mechanics/skills. And I'm not a Cassel homer. I'd start Croyle if he were 20lbs heavier- then maybe he wouldn't be as frail as chalk. But like any organization- it takes leadership (read: coaching) to truly change.

Nevermind...

06-19-2010, 06:28 AM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Haley thinks Cassel's problem was the players around him http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rs-around-him/ After signing a $40 million contract and leaving the Patriots for the Chiefs last year, quarterback Matt Cassel saw his passer rating drop from 89.4 in 2008 to 69.9 in 2009. Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks that had less to do with Cassel and more to do with the players around him. "We had 50-plus drops last season. If those don't happen, people would look at Cassel differently," Haley told ESPN.com. "If we get the improved offensive play around him that we hope to, I think people will feel better about Matt Cassel." Haley thinks the Chiefs have improved the talent on offense, and he says Cassel is doing the necessary work this offseason to make people feel better about him. "This guy is making progress in a bunch of ways," Haley said. "He had a very difficult year last year, but he didn't crack. That's a good sign. He has been one of our best workers this offseason, if not the best. He's working."
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el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2519148	I guess we'll see this season. Can't say I have much faith in Cassel because the things I dislike the most about his game (weak arm and inaccuracy) are not correctable.
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boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	Start Croyle ... I think .... __________________ WR or S please
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Goldmember You GOTTA get it done! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Casino cash: $9856738	yeah it was, the defensive players around him
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $45421	I don't care what any body or expert says, it shouldn't take 16 games to drive a td in the first quart of a game for the season. 15 games with out an offensive TD that's like going 3.75 games with out scoring a TD. If we went a streatch of 3- 4 games with out scoreing an offensive TD heads would roll and fans would lose there freaking minds. It's the starting QBs job to get the O on a roll and start scoreing not buy himself but get the ball where in needs to go and on time delivery. I'm tired getting a back up vet QB comming here to be starter and suck ass then have all the excuses so they don't lose there job. Huard Cassle no differance. Excuses excuses excuses. just quit. Croyle didn't get the excuses like that and he got his ass kicked by the Titans because nobody would block. I watch how they play and Cassel has very poor delivery he is has slow motion reaction to blitz, i don't see much that he can improve at this stage of his career. What ever, can't wait for this to get started hopefully Cassel proves me wrong OR let Croyle do it.
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06-20-2010, 06:48 AM	#113
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06-20-2010, 07:17 AM	#114
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9420185	It doesn't matter if Cassel played at USC or not. Or that Rob Johnson (who was immensely talented) or David Booty fizzled in the NFL. The bottom line is that you don't get to the NFL by being marginally talented. It doesn't happen. Are there more talented QB's in the league than others? Sure there are. Either way, you are a hell of an athlete if your playing QB on the NFL level. Quit acting like Joe arm chair is more talented because Cassel didn't start for USC, and because he had a down year in his first season with new receivers that changed every week, a revolving door in front of him, no running game till mid-season, a new offense 10 days before the season started, and a sprained MCL. Yea I know...excuses. All I've ever said is don't be so quick to hang him. Posted via Mobile Device
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06-20-2010, 08:10 AM	#118
Cheater5 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Folly Beach, SC Casino cash: $1337550	I'm pretty much down with what TRR said. Like most of us, at times last year I shot up off the couch and threw my hat at the screen at many of the under/over thrown balls to open receivers-"Are you f#*king kidding me!?"... HOWEVER I think Cassel walked into the perfect storm; what key factors can you check Y or N that ANY QB would have had in place on the '09 Chiefs? I am not a student of QBs and their mechanics/skills. And I'm not a Cassel homer. I'd start Croyle if he were 20lbs heavier- then maybe he wouldn't be as frail as chalk. But like any organization- it takes leadership (read: coaching) to truly change.
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