Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate

[Dante84]

In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Protect Mahomes and we're good.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think they do that because of personnel not because of choice.

If they can get a versatile lb that can play all 3 downs, it would help

Excatly...how many times do teams have to target our linebackers before folks get it? We need better linebackers to take this defense forward...PERIOD.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Speaking of pass rush, I think Wharton could break out in year 2. He had some good tape this year. Get him in the weight room and try to get some good weight on him.

He was listed as 280 in the east/west shrine game but was likely playing in the 270’s in season. If he could get to the 290’s and be capable of stopping the run he could really be a huge weapon next year.

Here’s some tape of him. Very impressive rusher.

I'm almost of the thought he should go the other direction and play DE at about 265. That said, I'm just unsure about his arm length being an edge player. He does have good burst, strength, and really good closing speed though. Definitely, a tweener that's hard to pin down. Eventually, you have to look to develop him beyond a pass rush specialist.

[Cosmos]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We play a base nickel. We need more safeties, not more LB's.

Yes, yourself and Dane have identified the importance of a walk down safety as more a need than a standard LB. One who can get to the line to support the run defense and the ability and flexibility to impact TE and shallow WR crossers.

A better Sorensen.....apply here.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I know it isn’t something you can’t count on to happen right now, but my pipe dream is Von Miller gets cut and we get revenge for Neil Smith.

Watch Veach add Miller and Watt to the front four on ring chasing low dollar deals.

I wouldn’t totally rule that out.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think they do that because of personnel not because of choice.

If they can get a versatile lb that can play all 3 downs, it would help

That’s exactly how I see it.

I mean, if we were to add one of the 3 top LBers, it would give Spags a ton more flexibility in his scheme.

Imagine having a developed WGJ and one of Zaven Collins, Micah Parsons (either of those guys at 31) or Dylan Moses (in the second) in those sub packages.

Wilson and Sorensen are both free agents, so we will find out what direction Veach goes.

Watt
Jones
Nnadi
Clark
WGJ
Parsons
Miller
Sneed
Ward
Fenton
Thornhill
Matheiu

Add in quality in house depth and that leaves resources to bolster the shit out of the Offensive line and WR.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think they do that because of personnel not because of choice.

If they can get a versatile lb that can play all 3 downs, it would help

I don't believe that at all.

If they wanted to run a base 4-3 they would.

They rotate LB's all the time and put 3 on the field when the sub package demands it.

They simply don't play the style of defense people want to see and rightfully so, this is a passing league.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

Yes, yourself and Dane have identified the importance of a walk down safety as more a need than a standard LB. One who can get to the line to support the run defense and the ability and flexibility to impact TE and shallow WR crossers.

A better Sorensen.....apply here.

Yep, exactly.

[htismaqe]

Spending a 1st round pick on an ILB is a ****ing waste of draft capital. It's as simple as that.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't believe that at all.

If they wanted to run a base 4-3 they would.

They rotate LB's all the time and put 3 on the field when the sub package demands it.

They simply don't play the style of defense people want to see and rightfully so, this is a passing league.

Having a linebacker that can play all 3 downs doesn't mean they have to run a 4-3 and put 3 linebackers on the field. I don't see the correlation you're making here.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Spending a 1st round pick on an ILB is a ****ing waste of draft capital. It's as simple as that.

Devin White says hi.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Devin White says hi.

You’re not getting Devin White at #31 overall in this draft.

Dude was #5 overall and his play has probably exceeded his draft slot.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Nate Taylor says we will pursue a veteran DE opposite of Frank Clark. One name that is circling out there is Justin Houston

[Dull Tools]

I would quite like to sign Romeo Okwara. Not sure how much money he would command but he got 10 sacks last year in an awful Lions defence and was only on $2.75m.

Could try and get him for cheap next year and then increase it once Frank Clarks contract is up.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

Having a linebacker that can play all 3 downs doesn't mean they have to run a 4-3 and put 3 linebackers on the field. I don't see the correlation you're making here.

People keep saying they run a base nickel because they lack enough talent at LB to run a 4-3.

It's simply not true.

If they wanted to run a base 4-3, they would. They have enough bodies to do it and in fact, they do it on plenty of occasions. The simple fact is that this team is built to pass and stop the pass. It revolves around DB's and pass rushers. LB's are a secondary consideration, just like run stopping DT's.

Even if they had a "stud" 3-down LB, they're still run a bunch of base nickel. It wouldn't change. But a "stud" 3-down LB simply isn't a big enough need. We have too many other needs.

As for what you said, you're right, there is no correlation. That wasn't the point that I was trying to make.