** OFFICIAL: "Do You Believe in God and an Afterlife?" Thread**

[Mr. Kotter]

Simple question.

I'm just curious how representative this place is, compared with mainstream America on the question. A few threads of late, just got me wondering....

Please feel free to discuss.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I was hoping you might pop-in...now if we can only get Chieficus to pop in.

I understand your point, but actually...even with that demographic, we aren't too far off from the "average" of mainstream America, which is surprising to me.

Like you seem to believe, I thought we'd be skewed more the non-believer/atheist direction.

MK
MA Secondary Ed
MA Educational Administration
PhD in Shool of Hard Knocks

Heh.

% of people that serve God: 10-20% (at best)
% of people who go to Church weekly: 40%
% of people who believe in God: 95%
% of people who know they are sinners: 100%

Regardless of the demographics, most people know in their conscience that there is a reckoning coming. I have been in combat with men facing death daily, and I can tell you that human will, human pride and human arrogance runs very deep. Not quite as deep as the tender mercies of God, however, and I have seen the Lord work powerful miracles among the toughest men in the world.

KCJ
Convinced, converted, content

[keg in kc]

I believe, and live accordingly. [ 12 ] 11.88%
I believe, should strive accordingly....better than I do. [ 45 ] 44.55%

That seems fairly representative to me, regardless of the assumed demographic by which this place is populated.

I don't believe in god as he/she/it is definted and confined by any religion I've yet encounted, nor do I believe that any "reckoning," biblical or otherwise, is approaching, unless, of course, mankind brings one upon ourselves. I do believe, however, in being good for the sake of goodness. Because in my personal moral code it is "right".

Whether there's a reward post-burial for such actions or not is a completely moot point to me.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

% of people that serve God: 10-20% (at best)
% of people who go to Church weekly: 40%
% of people who believe in God: 95%
% of people who know they are sinners: 100%

Regardless of the demographics, most people know in their conscience that there is a reckoning coming. I have been in combat with men facing death daily, and I can tell you that human will, human pride and human arrogance runs very deep. Not quite as deep as the tender mercies of God, however, and I have seen the Lord work powerful miracles among the toughest men in the world.

KCJ
Convinced, converted, content

I am a veteran, former Armor CPT from 4 yrs of peace time duty...and agree human will, pride, and arrogance run deep. No combat, so you got me there. Guess, I'm SOL when it comes it's time for pie. But I also believe in God's mercies and miracles. No doubt in my mind.

The way I read the poll, so far is...
60-75% BELIEVE, or want to believe...but are human, subject to backsliding and doubts. Not bad in today's secularized and narcissistic world. Especially, as you said, among this demographic.

Out of curriosity: are you an evangelical...literalist/fundamentalist? FWIW, I don't consider that a bad thing; it just lends perspective.

MK
Convinced, converted, but still curious.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I believe, and live accordingly. [ 12 ] 11.88%
I believe, should strive accordingly....better than I do. [ 45 ] 44.55%

That seems fairly representative to me, regardless of the assumed demographic by which this place is populated.

I don't believe in god as he/she/it is definted and confined by any religion I've yet encounted, nor do I believe that any "reckoning," biblical or otherwise, is approaching, unless, of course, mankind brings one upon ourselves. I do believe, however, in being good for the sake of goodness. Because in my personal moral code it is "right".

Whether there's a reward post-burial for such actions or not is a completely moot point to me.

Keg therefore, believes in Santa Claus ("so be good for goodness' sake"). I commend you for your transparency, Kyle. You are actually ahead of many planeteers by patronizing the venerable Saint Nicholas, Bishop of Myra (4th Century).

KCJ
Former Planet BB Chaplain

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I am a veteran, former Armor CPT from 4 yrs of peace time duty...and agree human will, pride, and arrogance run deep. No combat, so you got me there. Guess, I SOL when it comes it's time for pie. But I also believe in God's mercies and miracles. No doubt in my mind.

The way I read the poll, so far is...
60-75% BELIEVE, or want to believe...but are human, subject to backsliding and doubts. Not bad in today's secularized and narcissistic world. Especially, as you said, among this demographic.

Out of curriosity: are you an evangelical...literalist/fundamentalist? FWIW, I don't consider that a bad thing; it just lends perspective.

MK
Convinced, converted, but still curious.

I am a charismatic Roman Catholic. I hold all the trump cards! LOL! I believe in the cosmology of Jesus (I can email you my thesis)...

KCJ
Been to Hell and Back...

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Keg therefore, believes in Santa Clause ("so be good for goodness' sake"). I commend you for your transparency, Kyle. You are actually ahead of many planeteers by patronizing the venerable Saint Nicholas, Bishop of Myra (4th Century).

Mmmkay.

Although we did learn about that fellow in sunday school a couple of decades back.

It scares me that I'm old enough to use those words. "Decades back."

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ

I definetely believe in God and that he sent his son to die on the cross for our sins. I have grown up in a christian home (independant baptist meaning we dont have to answer to a mother church or are not governed by a mother church). I was saved when I was 5 years old and my dad teaches Sunday School he is the Head of the Deacons and leads our youth program of about 70 kids at our church (i am the game director lol). But there is something after death its called heaven and hell. People who dont know pretty much dont wanna know they just want to live the way they are living if they wanted to know they would seek answers. I would hate to be at the Gates of Heaven and not be in the Book of Life because it will be a long hot eternity. And saying religion is mans way of controlling man is pretty invalid. Goverment is a mans way of controlling man.

People like you scare the shit out of me.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I am a charismatic Roman Catholic. I hold all the trump cards! LOL! I believe in the cosmology of Jesus (I can email you my thesis)...

KCJ
Been to Hell and Back...

I am Church of Christ-Penecostal-Southern Baptist, converted Lutheran....who, in private moments sees Deism as making the most sense, in the context of history and the time-and-space continuum. I believe in the awesome power and compassion of God, and the wonder of Free Will he granted to us....yet Christianity works for me, in my time and culture.

My thesis is on Resilient Youth...which is awe-inspiring in the context of Free Will...

MK
Been to "Heaven" a day or two in this life

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

People like you scare the shit out of me.

Then get right with God. That's the only way to have peace about these issues. God is real, and He loves you. What's to be afraid of? Unless you love something evil (that is the common condition of all men). Not every Christian is ready to fry you. But mercy comes undeserved from God, regardless of what one Christian sect says.

[keg in kc]

I would be a deist as well, were I not more comfortable with the mantle of agnostic.

I generally don't call myself atheist, if it's a serious religious discussion, because I do recognize the possibility or a higher being (or group thereof).

Now, if joe on the street asks me what religion I am, I generally just say "atheist" becaust it's the simplest answer...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Then get right with God.

This is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with a deity.

[C-Mac]

I must resist.......be strong.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by C-Mac

I must resist.......be strong.

Release your anger! Only your hatred can destroy them!

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by C-Mac

I must resist.......be strong.

Why? Let it FLOOWWWW.....Bro.....

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Sigh its just to prove a point and I understand the flexibility issues with many religious types so let me make it easy. I am not a atheist by this description. I believe there MAY be a god somewhere just not the ones man believes in.

Also I suppose if you exchange believer for atheist we can all get past this.

OK everyone on this site is a non-believer.

There does that help?

Dave

We knew what you meant a long time before you did. We also knew what it means to be an atheist a long time before you did. So no, it did not help us