Chiefs Thigpen on 810 - Page 9

Mi_chief_fan · 02-06-2009, 09:43 AM

"Excited, he's (Haley) got some good qualities for a coach."

"Watched the Cardinals alot, impressed, looking forward to him bringing his scheme to KC."

"It's a fun offense: you can run the spread,I-formation, play action and go deep."

THinks KC's receivers will thrive with Haley, likes the talent at WR.

"It's great to have an offensive minded coach like Brad CHildress in MN."

Would like to see Gailey stay

"THey might clash in some ways, but i'd like to see him run the offense this year."

"I feel like right now i'm the QB for the CHiefs until i'm told otherwise."

"I'd hate to see TG go, having him here wil help us win."

"I'll try to caontact Tony after the Pro-Bowl. In this system, the TE will get the ball."

On LJ:
"As a player you always want to be happy, obviously he doesn't want to be here, that's his perogative. I would hope none of the teammates would hold a grudge for what he said if he does come back. He's really good when he wants to be."

chiefzilla1501 · 02-06-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The problem is Zach that he can't play under center. Do you remember the Raider game? The Atlanta game?

They put him in the spread so that he could better read the defenses. He did a pretty good job of reading the defense in the first half of most of his starts but after halftime, the defenses adjusted and shut him down. The Chiefs lost like 6 or 7 games when they were leading at halftime because of this.

They also had trouble scoring in goal line situations (again, with Thigpen behind center). Part of this was because the right side of the offensive line (the power side) was complete and utter trash but the other part of the equation is that the defenses knew what was coming because Thigpen couldn't read them well enough to throw the ball on the goal line (nor does he possess the accuracy).

I don't think the Chiefs should dump him but it's going to take him years of practice to learn how to read and react under center and quite frankly, it may never happen.

That's not a guy I want starting for my football team.

Yeah, but in his defense, how many QBs could play under center behind that offensive line? The offensive line got the two previous QBs killed. The spread offense was the only offensive set where any QB had any kind of a fighting chance.

Again, I don't know that he's the answer and you have to bring in a QB to compete. But I think he deserves at least a full offseason before we can start talking about his ceiling. If by the end of the offseason, he's still having problems under center and he's still having accuracy issues, than you quickly cut the cord on the experiment.

PastorMikH · 02-06-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The problem is Zach that he can't play under center. Do you remember the Raider game? The Atlanta game?

They put him in the spread so that he could better read the defenses. He did a pretty good job of reading the defense in the first half of most of his starts but after halftime, the defenses adjusted and shut him down. The Chiefs lost like 6 or 7 games when they were leading at halftime because of this.

They also had trouble scoring in goal line situations (again, with Thigpen behind center). Part of this was because the right side of the offensive line (the power side) was complete and utter trash but the other part of the equation is that the defenses knew what was coming because Thigpen couldn't read them well enough to throw the ball on the goal line (nor does he possess the accuracy).

I don't think the Chiefs should dump him but it's going to take him years of practice to learn how to read and react under center and quite frankly, it may never happen.

That's not a guy I want starting for my football team.

1) No QB has been able to play under center with success and without injury since Roaf quit - Thigpen has done the best of all - including Green.

2) Yes, Thigpen could be part of the problem with D's adjusting after halftime. Shouldn't the coaches make adjustments to compensate though? Also, Herm's "Let's run the clock" mentality coming out in the second half sure didn't help the second half.

3) Goal line, this whole team, not just Thigpen has struggled in goal line AND short yardage situations for the last 3 years. Our OL, RB, QB, yound and inexperienced recievers, as well as play-calling all have some impact on that. Truth be known, the Chiefs haven't been good at goal line and short yardage since DV/Saunders/Pre-neck-injury Priest left.

Thigpen is just one of a bunch of players I am wondering how they will perform with a new coaching staff.

Mecca · 02-06-2009, 07:04 PM

If you guys really think the reason they were doing spread shit was the line and not the QB, I'm going to question if you're thinking properly.

keg in kc · 02-06-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you guys really think the reason they were doing spread shit was the line and not the QB, I'm going to question if you're thinking properly.

What, you mean going with multiple wide-outs instead of keeping extra blockers in doesn't help the offensive line?

(although in fairness, I'd say it was a combination of QB and o-line - rare instance in the last decade where we actually saw a chiefs coordinator trying to exploit strengths and mitigate weaknesses. but chicken shit never turns into chicken soup, no matter how much you stir, and limited QB + limited o-line = limited offense)

Reerun_KC · 02-06-2009, 07:10 PM

There isnt a QB on this roster than has earned or deserves to be on this team at the start of next season...

All of the trash needs taking out...

I would maybe keep Thigpen IF he could complete the most basic out pattern on a consistant basis, but the guy in row 5 has had enough of him knocking over his beer...

chiefzilla1501 · 02-06-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you guys really think the reason they were doing spread shit was the line and not the QB, I'm going to question if you're thinking properly.

The reason they ran the spread offense was because they saw that Thigpen was doing some good things in 2-minute offense drills in practice. So they incorporated it in. Would you deny that the pass protection was 100 times better than it was when any QB was lined up under center? When Thigpen lined up under center, he was running for his life on almost every single play. So regardless of the circumstances leading to it happening, it would be hard for anyone to argue taht any QB would have had much chance playing behind the kind of offensive line that we had. Given that we lost two QBs and were giving up the most sacks in the league before we implemented the spread, there's nothing unusual about this claim.

You know what offense the Steelers ran? It was largely a spread offense too, and for much of the same reasons. Big Ben was getting clobbered, so Arians implemented a lot more spread looks so that Ben wasn't getting killed the minute the ball was snapped.

PastorMikH · 02-06-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you guys really think the reason they were doing spread was the line and not the QB, I'm going to question if you're thinking properly.

The other QBs on the team did fine behind this OL with the old offense didn't they.

Mecca · 02-06-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

The other QBs on the team did fine behind this OL with the old offense didn't they.

They won just as many games as Tyler Thigpen did.

**doomy3** · 02-06-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

There isnt a QB on this roster than has earned or deserves to be on this team at the start of next season...

All of the trash needs taking out...

I would maybe keep Thigpen IF he could complete the most basic out pattern on a consistant basis, but the guy in row 5 has had enough of him knocking over his beer...

so your opinion is that we should just cut Thigpen outright, huh? He wouldn't be on the market for more than 30 seconds if we did that.

Reerun_KC · 02-06-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

so your opinion is that we should just cut Thigpen outright, huh? He wouldn't be on the market for more than 30 seconds if we did that.

I dont give a crap what we do with him, aslong as he isnt under center when the season starts... Wait.... He cant play from under center.. Crap, that just screws up my rebuttle....

Nevermind, I need to work on a better rebuttle, brb, going to have to spread this out, cant work from behind keyboard that well...

Mecca · 02-06-2009, 07:17 PM

Look Thigpen from under center against the Raiders and Falcons was one of the biggest abominations ever witnessed, he was horrendous he would hit defenders with more balls than the receivers, lets not act like this is all about the line and has nothing to do with him.

I'm tired of this underdog fixation.

stevieray · 02-06-2009, 07:17 PM

how many yards and catches between Bowe and Tony?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-06-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look Thigpen from under center against the Raiders and Falcons was one of the biggest abominations ever witnessed, he was horrendous he would hit defenders with more balls than the receivers, lets not act like this is all about the line and has nothing to do with him.

I'm tired of this underdog fixation.

Why don't these Thigpen lovers SEE THIS???

JFC on a crotch-rocket.

Deberg_1990 · 02-06-2009, 07:43 PM

Here is what i like about Thigpen:

1. Hes got decent legs and mobility. He knows how to escape.
2. Hes a decent passer in the spread on routes within the 5-10 yard range.

Thats about it. I dont see much to build on. He cant play under center. The only thing hes proven is that he can be an ok backup.

I dont see the improvement that some guys are talking about?? He was horrible in that Cinci game.

Mecca · 02-06-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why don't these Thigpen lovers SEE THIS???

JFC on a crotch-rocket.

Because logic shits on the underdog fantasy, we're talking about a fanbase that wanted Marc Boerigter to be a superstar and that want turned him into something he wasn't.

02-06-2009, 09:43 AM
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	Thigpen on 810 "Excited, he's (Haley) got some good qualities for a coach." "Watched the Cardinals alot, impressed, looking forward to him bringing his scheme to KC." "It's a fun offense: you can run the spread,I-formation, play action and go deep." THinks KC's receivers will thrive with Haley, likes the talent at WR. "It's great to have an offensive minded coach like Brad CHildress in MN." Would like to see Gailey stay "THey might clash in some ways, but i'd like to see him run the offense this year." "I feel like right now i'm the QB for the CHiefs until i'm told otherwise." "I'd hate to see TG go, having him here wil help us win." "I'll try to caontact Tony after the Pro-Bowl. In this system, the TE will get the ball." On LJ: "As a player you always want to be happy, obviously he doesn't want to be here, that's his perogative. I would hope none of the teammates would hold a grudge for what he said if he does come back. He's really good when he wants to be."
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02-06-2009, 07:04 PM	#123
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	If you guys really think the reason they were doing spread shit was the line and not the QB, I'm going to question if you're thinking properly.
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02-06-2009, 07:10 PM	#125
Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	There isnt a QB on this roster than has earned or deserves to be on this team at the start of next season... All of the trash needs taking out... I would maybe keep Thigpen IF he could complete the most basic out pattern on a consistant basis, but the guy in row 5 has had enough of him knocking over his beer...
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02-06-2009, 07:17 PM	#131
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	Look Thigpen from under center against the Raiders and Falcons was one of the biggest abominations ever witnessed, he was horrendous he would hit defenders with more balls than the receivers, lets not act like this is all about the line and has nothing to do with him. I'm tired of this underdog fixation.
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02-06-2009, 07:17 PM	#132
stevieray Most things I worry about… Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $-1374727	how many yards and catches between Bowe and Tony?
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02-06-2009, 07:43 PM	#134
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $54454	Here is what i like about Thigpen: 1. Hes got decent legs and mobility. He knows how to escape. 2. Hes a decent passer in the spread on routes within the 5-10 yard range. Thats about it. I dont see much to build on. He cant play under center. The only thing hes proven is that he can be an ok backup. I dont see the improvement that some guys are talking about?? He was horrible in that Cinci game. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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