Chiefs A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... - Page 9

shammus · 10:22 PM

Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically -

The Good

Offense
Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too.
First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though.
Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield.
Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though)

Defense
Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker?
Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles
Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield
Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though....
Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th
Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed

Special Teams
Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain.

The Bad

Offense
The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in.
The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game.
I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit.
The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped.
Did Toomer or Engram even play??

Defense
Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier
Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT??

Ugh.....for Chrissakes....
Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain.
Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one...
Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm....

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-16-2009, 09:27 PM

I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris.

Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers.

I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles.

On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point.

Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle.

Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris.

Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers.

I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles.

On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point.

Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle.

Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!

I was very disappointed Richardson didn't work out on the Right. I'll continue to argue that Taylor is the best option there, if Richardson is indeed out for RT.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-16-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I was very disappointed Richardson didn't work out on the Right. I'll continue to argue that Taylor is the best option there, if Richardson is indeed out for RT.

Well, I wouldn't use the word "disappointed".

He played well on the left side, so like Taylor, it just appears that neither is ideally suited for the right side.

If this were "my" football team, I'd stick Taylor at right tackle and leave him there for the remainder of training camp. I'd demote ScIntosh and tell Taylor that it's his job to lose.

ScIntosh will not improve. Taylor might.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

ScIntosh will not improve. Taylor might.

Did you see Mario Williams putting pressure on Cassel? I sure didn't, at least not when he went against McIntosh.

He still can't run block, but I think McIntosh has improved quite a bit in pass protection. That's the only reason he's out there at this point - Haley thinks he's good enough to start, because he can pass protect.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-16-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Did you see Mario Williams putting pressure on Cassel? I sure didn't, at least not when he went against McIntosh.

He still can't run block, but I think McIntosh has improved quite a bit in pass protection. That's the only reason he's out there at this point - Haley thinks he's good enough to start, because he can pass protect.

He ****ing sucks and so does Goff.

You were absolutely, unequivocally wrong about Goff.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He ****ing sucks and so does Goff.

You were absolutely, unequivocally wrong about Goff.

One game certainly proves it.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris.

Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers.

Just finished rewatching the game, and, yes, I was impressed with the play of both Brown and Harris.

They were both quicker than the guys they replaced, getting out and pulling, and getting into position on a screen.
They handled their blocking assignments without getting double team help in pass protect.
As I noted elsewhere, Brown get clowned on one play in which he gave up a sack, but that was his only real hiccup.

Harris was just flat out impressive for an UDRFA.

Also, in watching the inteerior linemen, I saw that Niswanger did a better job of keeping his backside down at the snap, but he was still slow getting out of his stance and getting up and into position to bolck.
Unfortunately, he is still (marginally) better than Eric Ghiaciuc.

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I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles.

Agreed, though it appears he's going to be given the chance to win the job at RT.

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On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point.

Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle.

Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!

Corey Mays was impressive, and I just can't see how there is any way that Zach Thomas should be starting ahead of him when he finally makes his way out of the tub.

Thomas was clearly on the decline when he was released by the Dolphins, and he wasn't all that good in the Cowboys 34 last year.

DJ showed more consistency in his play in this game than in any game that I can remember.
This scheme appears to be a good fit for him, though I don't know that he will ever play up to his draft position.

Hali was better than expected, but he has a long way to go, and Andy Studebaker looks quicker, faster, more athletic, and seems to have adjusted far more qucikly to the transiton from DE than Hali, not only outshining Hali as a pass rusher, but far more disciplined in run defense, and more fluid in dropping back in pass coverage, though there's still more work there.
I won't be the least bit surprised if he replaces Hali in the starting lineup by the start of the season.

With Dorsey, Jackson, and Magee, it appears we have a solid DE rotation, but Alex Boone was nearly as ineffective at DE as Ron Edwards was at NT.
Tank Tyler outplayed Edwards with the second unit, and should be given an opportunity to line up with the first team
He won't be the answer there, but he doesn't appear to be nearly as big a question.

Our situation at WR appearss to be a fluid situation and a continuing work in progress.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Did you see Mario Williams putting pressure on Cassel? I sure didn't, at least not when he went against McIntosh.

He still can't run block, but I think McIntosh has improved quite a bit in pass protection. That's the only reason he's out there at this point - Haley thinks he's good enough to start, because he can pass protect.

Apparently Haley (and Bill Muir) agree with most of the rest of us.

Hammock Parties · 08-19-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Apparently Haley (and Bill Muir) agree with most of the rest of us.

McIntosh is still #1.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

McIntosh is still #1.

On the depth chart that means absolutely nothing at this point in time.

Barry Richardson is getting snaps with the first team this week, and that's all that matters.

Hammock Parties · 08-19-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

On the depth chart that means absolutely nothing at this point in time.

Barry Richardson is getting snaps with the first team this week, and that's all that matters.

I'm guessing you don't feel the same way about Devard Darling.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I'm guessing you don't feel the same way about Devard Darling.

You'd guess wrong.

Hammock Parties · 08-19-2009, 07:54 AM

Well, at least you're consistent.

I for one will be very surprised if either line up as starters.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Well, at least you're consistent.

I for one will be very surprised if either line up as starters.

So would I.

Here's the difference, though.

Bowe will play his way back to the first team because he's far more talented that Darling.
He just need to show the work for Haley, and he appears to have gotten the message.

Richardson will play his way back to the second team unless the light comes on and he suddenly gets it, because, quite frankly, his play at RT has been even less impressive that McInSuck's.

**Buehler445** · 08-19-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I wouldn't use the word "disappointed".

He played well on the left side, so like Taylor, it just appears that neither is ideally suited for the right side.

If this were "my" football team, I'd stick Taylor at right tackle and leave him there for the remainder of training camp. I'd demote ScIntosh and tell Taylor that it's his job to lose.

ScIntosh will not improve. Taylor might.

I've been saying that since LAST offseason. Or maybe it was after he came in for Albert when he was hurt.

Either way, a long ****ing time.

Nice analysis milkman. Much appreciated.
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08-15-2009, 10:04 PM
shammus Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $7674957	A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically - The Good Offense Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too. First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though. Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield. Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though) Defense Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker? Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though.... Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed Special Teams Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain. The Bad Offense The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in. The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game. I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit. The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped. Did Toomer or Engram even play?? Defense Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT?? Ugh.....for Chrissakes.... Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain. Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one... Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm.... Last edited by shammus; 08-15-2009 at 10:22 PM..
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris. Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers. I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles. On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point. Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle. Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!
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