"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[temper11]

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

People need to face up to the reality that Andy decided to model this team after the old Ravens. Great defense, good running game and a game managing QB approach.

No, he didn't.

John Dorsey took the parts that were already in place and has been been building around them, while also getting Reid the QB he wanted and trying to build around him and Charles.

This team is looking more like the late 90s, early 2000s Eagles.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

What was that Andrew Luck did to him in the playoffs two years ago? That's the definition of smoked. Alex couldn't generate a touchdown when he needed to and Luck was slinging the football at will, no matter if it was an interception or a touchdown, he kept throwing all over and scoring quick and Alex wasn't generating anything quick enough to counter.

The gunslinger beats him more times than not, it's because Alex lacks a big arm.

Alex put up 40+ points with no Jamaal and also lost Knile Davis and Donnie Avery shortly after. The defense already had a hobbled set of pass rushers and lost their best corner to injury early in the 3rd quarter (when Luck went crazy) On top of that, they had that miracle bounce where Luck fumbled and the ball bounced right back to him and he scored with it.

To blame that loss on Alex Smith is just flat out disregarding facts.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I'm a little confused. KC was 16th in points, and 13th in points per drive. It makes it look a little better, but you're acting like they're at the top of the league in a made-up stat.

Could have sworn the chart said 10th or something.

Anyway, liars.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Could have sworn the chart said 10th or something.

Anyway, liars.

The chart is sorted by offensive/defensive differential, and KC is 7th. That would be giving Alex credit for the defense, which I guess is what this thread is about?

Sorting by offensive points per drive, KC is 13th.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

What was that Andrew Luck did to him in the playoffs two years ago? That's the definition of smoked. Alex couldn't generate a touchdown when he needed to and Luck was slinging the football at will, no matter if it was an interception or a touchdown, he kept throwing all over and scoring quick and Alex wasn't generating anything quick enough to counter.

The gunslinger beats him more times than not, it's because Alex lacks a big arm.

We can talk about all of his miserable moments, of which there are many... but the stone cold fact is that Smith balled the **** out in that game and no amount of revisionist history can change it.

You're off base here.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

We can talk about all of his miserable moments, of which there are many... but the stone cold fact is that Smith balled the **** out in that game and no amount of revisionist history can change it.

He balled out for a half.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

He balled out for a half.

Dogshit.

That team was paper thin all year and...

The pass rush was extremely hobbled + Kendrick Lewis was still starting.

He lost damn near every offensive skill player that mattered by that second half and STILL managed 10 second half points on the road... you can say whatever else about him you want to, but that performance was full of guts and balls.

[BossChief]

44 points should be enough to win any playoff game.

Everybody takes a share of the blame, but I don't think Alex's share should be anywhere near as big as other factors...

Kendrick Lewis having a target on his head all game

Losing Flowers, Avery, Jamaal and Davis to injury in the game

Luck having that stripped ball bounce right back into his hands and scoring with it.

The RB pulling up on the wheel route

Bowe not fully extending on the final pass because he thought he might break his foot if he did (actually said this in an interview)


I guess I can't fault Alex that much for not scoring more than 44 points when he lost 3 of his best offensive players to injury...but I fault him for not being efficient while throwing the ball away up 28 pts, snapping the ball with time left on the play clock, running out of bounds on a scramble, throwing it short of the sticks and towards the sideline when we need to roll the clock....lot of stuff a grizzled vet should be better than.

[dls6501]

Alex Smith doesn't lose games the conventional way that quarterbacks lose games. That is why his fans have such a hard time dealing with people who dislike his game.

Alex Smith doesn't lose games the way Jay Cutler loses games (throwing 3 interceptions, one being a pick 6). Alex Smith loses games by not taking advantage of the chances he is given, thus missing out on gamechanging opportunities. Its very difficult to quantify how Alex loses games, which is why some people refuse to believe he is as big of a problem as he is.

That one 49er fan who joined the site when Alex was traded to us warned us that he would divide our fan base. That is exactly what he has done. Good posters like On the Warpath are choosing not to be a part of this site anymore largely because of how divided we have become. I dont have the longterm relationships that a lot of people have here, but its sad.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BossChief

44 points should be enough to win any playoff game.

Everybody takes a share of the blame, but I don't think Alex's share should be anywhere near as big as other factors...

Kendrick Lewis having a target on his head all game

Losing Flowers, Avery, Jamaal and Davis to injury in the game

Luck having that stripped ball bounce right back into his hands and scoring with it.

The RB pulling up on the wheel route

Bowe not fully extending on the final pass because he thought he might break his foot if he did (actually said this in an interview)


I guess I can't fault Alex that much for not scoring more than 44 points when he lost 3 of his best offensive players to injury...but I fault him for not being efficient while throwing the ball away up 28 pts, snapping the ball with time left on the play clock, running out of bounds on a scramble, throwing it short of the sticks and towards the sideline when we need to roll the clock....lot of stuff a grizzled vet should be better than.

Great post!

Alex played great. But he shares some of the blame for the loss. (Just like Andy Reid, the defense, etc).

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Great post!

Alex played great. But he shares some of the blame for the loss. (Just like Andy Reid, the defense, etc).

He doesn't share some of the blame. He shares a really, really, really small % of the blame. So small that it's not even worth mentioning his name. A perfect QB performance is completely unreasonable, especially when you have to carry that kind of a team.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, he didn't.

John Dorsey took the parts that were already in place and has been been building around them, while also getting Reid the QB he wanted and trying to build around him and Charles.

This team is looking more like the late 90s, early 2000s Eagles.

While I agree with you, I think it's somewhere in between. Dorsey's drafts/taste in prospects is a lot like Newsome's. The second we took Peters I thought to myself "wow this is the type of pick Ozzy makes" then the day after reports come out that the Ravens were targeting Peters. Our defense is very similar to those great Ravens defenses.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Alex Smith doesn't lose games the conventional way that quarterbacks lose games. That is why his fans have such a hard time dealing with people who dislike his game.

Alex Smith doesn't lose games the way Jay Cutler loses games (throwing 3 interceptions, one being a pick 6). Alex Smith loses games by not taking advantage of the chances he is given, thus missing out on gamechanging opportunities. Its very difficult to quantify how Alex loses games, which is why some people refuse to believe he is as big of a problem as he is.

That one 49er fan who joined the site when Alex was traded to us warned us that he would divide our fan base. That is exactly what he has done. Good posters like On the Warpath are choosing not to be a part of this site anymore largely because of how divided we have become. I dont have the longterm relationships that a lot of people have here, but its sad.

It's a pretty one-sided view. No one side is better/worse than the other. There are homers and then there are those who are unreasonably critical.

Overall, I agree and don't with your first point. Alex Smith loses games because he can't close. Now you might say... if he sucks at closing, maybe he shouldn't be managing games. Point taken. But I think Smith's approach would work fine if he was a closer.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Dogshit.

Yes, this is dogshit.

The only reason we scored a TD at all in the second half was the defense setting up a short field.



You give Luck a chance to get back in the game and he will. Alex turned back into a pumpkin and proved he's not the guy that day.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He doesn't share some of the blame. He shares a really, really, really small % of the blame. So small that it's not even worth mentioning his name. A perfect QB performance is completely unreasonable, especially when you have to carry that kind of a team.

He left a total over 7 minutes on the play clock in the second half.