Orlovsky on Toney

[LagunaSWana]

Proves to me that Toney is dumber than we thought he was, and that is no easy feat...

https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/sta...27971618369895

[Arch Stanton]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You do realize you're just making excuses for the Refs not calling games consistently, right? That's pretty much the essence of the entire argument.

And this isn't even a judgement call like say a PI. Or at least not to the same degree. As much as Toney has blame you can't excuse a Ref for seeing this all game and not calling it until the last 2 minutes.

That's like a working for a boss that watches you doing something wrong for months and not saying anything and then when it's review time he drops the bomb knowing you might not have realized you were doing something wrong because he never said anything until it mattered.

Completely agree with you.

Was pointing out the fact that, like Alice in Wonderland, "When a ref throws a flag,’ Humpty Cheffers said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what the ref chose it to mean — neither more nor less."

When KaTo lined up the exat same way on the other plays, it wasn't "egregious". But when the game was on the line, it somehow *was*.

Was pissed when the league put clams on each ref squad. Now I realize they're *all* clams, some just have longer hair and tits.

[LagunaSWana]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

I'm pretty sure it did. He failed to kill the clock adequately in their last drive and force our timeouts. He was once again going to be blamed for choking late. Don't think he would have overcome it.

It's too bad that the offsides call overshadowed the absolute faceplant that McDermott displayed on the previous drive. My buddy and I couldn't believe the utter dogshit clock management.

[ping2000]

My biggest issue is that the one ref said this was a point of emphasis this year. OK, then why didn't you call Toney on it every other time he did it? They have no problem calling penalties on our o-line multiple times a game.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by ping2000

My biggest issue is that the one ref said this was a point of emphasis this year. OK, then why didn't you call Toney on it every other time he did it? They have no problem calling penalties on our o-line multiple times a game.

They lied, it was a point of emphasis on the Tush Push, and that's all its really been called on this year...

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Haven’t read all this, but here’s the deal MFers…

Anyone siding with the refs and/or throwing Mahomes and Andy under the bus is full of shit. Like Nick Wright said, they’re the defense attorney for somebody who was pulled over for going 36 in a 35.

1st time since ‘95. 1st for Andy in 25,000 plays or whatever. And in this “point of emphasis” year, it had been called on a WR twice before the other night. Even though it happens constantly (which is easily proven).

It wasn’t egregious like dipshit Cheffers claimed. It was the same thing he’d done all night. Bush league shit. But well worth it if it awoke a monster.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Haven’t read all this, but here’s the deal MFers…

Anyone siding with the refs and/or throwing Mahomes and Andy under the bus is full of shit. Like Nick Wright said, they’re the defense attorney for somebody who was pulled over for going 36 in a 35.

1st time since ‘95. 1st for Andy in 25,000 plays or whatever. And in this “point of emphasis” year, it had been called on a WR twice before the other night. Even though it happens constantly (which is easily proven).

It wasn’t egregious like dipshit Cheffers claimed. It was the same thing he’d done all night. Bush league shit. But well worth it if it awoke a monster.

Last week we got told our WR getting absolutely mugged didn't effect the play. This week it's well, yeah, um, reasons....

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Last week we got told our WR getting absolutely mugged didn't effect the play. This week it's well, yeah, um, reasons....

Not to mention a lot of these letter-of-the-law assholes were the same people who threw a two week bitch fit last year that this shouldn't have been called.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Not to mention a lot of these letter-of-the-law assholes were the same people who threw a two week bitch fit last year that this shouldn't have been called.

Yup. They're completely full of shit.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Papi

I'm not a Toney supporter but the vitriol so many people are spewing at the dude is excessive. Especially when you take into account Orlovsky's evidence that he did it all game with no warnings or penalties. Former players have said they try and get as close as possible to the ball for an edge and that's all he was doing here.. with every indication that it had been fine all game.

Agreed. And I may hate Toney more than anyone on this board

[synthesis2]

Again here is the problem that was stated earlier for those who are not chiefs fans and just don't get it...

Q1 there are two times Toney is on the line, Both times he is lined up as far forward as he was in the penalty line judge right there looking at it and neither time calls a penalty. So no one knows on the chiefs he is doing anything wrong.

Q2, he lines up three times at the same distance offsides, nothing called and no conversation with anyone on the chiefs or Toney that he did anything wrong.

Q3 he lines up two times off sides and again same distance and no flag even with the line jude looking down the line.

Q4 two times he lines up offside and not call...THEN with a minute left in a critical situation they call it , was it the right call? sure, but if you don't call it all game even though it did it over and over, and its only been called 2 times this year on anything other than the tush push, then lets be real, they F**ked us, period....

Look its ok, refs can do what they want to do I guess but because of the previous 6 times he was equally offisdes and nothing was called is the refs basically saying to the chiefs... all good... then saying... "NOOOOO you can't do that"

Imagine trying to raise a toddler this way, ok honey, lets go poddy, and you say this and they poddy each time, then after 6 times you scream at them and tell them " NO DON"T PODDY" I mean what the H**l are you supposed to think.

The refs F'ed up and the F'ed up big time. Two games now we have been screwed by them, its what it is and we move on.

[headsnap]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

The refs F'ed up and the F'ed up big time. Two games now we have been screwed by them, its what it is and we move on.

from my vantage point, they did their job(s) correctly... there was going to be a penalty on that play irregardless(false start, hold, etc...), KC wasn't winning that game. KT had been lining up like that the whole game and when he lined up for that play the ref knew he had it in his pocket(pun intended). Too much $ involved with gambling, etc., and with part time refs that purposely aren't held accountable, games are steered to desired outcomes... status quo, unfortunately nothing will change.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by headsnap

from my vantage point, they did their job(s) correctly... there was going to be a penalty on that play irregardless(false start, hold, etc...), KC wasn't winning that game. KT had been lining up like that the whole game and when he lined up for that play the ref knew he had it in his pocket(pun intended). Too much $ involved with gambling, etc., and with part time refs that purposely aren't held accountable, games are steered to desired outcomes... status quo, unfortunately nothing will change.

If they are going to get in bed with Gambling, then the officials need to be held accountable, and they not only aren't held accountable, but they are defended to the end by the NFL. It can't continue or the product becomes untrusted by the consumer/gamblers.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Haven’t read all this, but here’s the deal MFers…

Anyone siding with the refs and/or throwing Mahomes and Andy under the bus is full of shit. Like Nick Wright said, they’re the defense attorney for somebody who was pulled over for going 36 in a 35.

1st time since ‘95. 1st for Andy in 25,000 plays or whatever. And in this “point of emphasis” year, it had been called on a WR twice before the other night. Even though it happens constantly (which is easily proven).

It wasn’t egregious like dipshit Cheffers claimed. It was the same thing he’d done all night. Bush league shit. But well worth it if it awoke a monster.

I already made that comparison. 36 in a 35 is breaking the law. The cop being an asshole doesn't change that fact. Piss and moan all you want, but if the driver had simply slowed down by 1 mph, it wouldn't be an issue.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I already made that comparison. 36 in a 35 is breaking the law. The cop being an asshole doesn't change that fact. Piss and moan all you want, but if the driver had simply slowed down by 1 mph, it wouldn't be an issue.

So if you were pulled over for going 36 in a 35, and you found out it was the only time anyone in the region had been pulled over for this in 30 years, you'd be cool with it?

Another analogy is an officiating crew allows two basketball teams to hammer each other in the post all night without calling any fouls, then decides to call a touch foul on the perimeter that negates a game-winning shot.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

So if you were pulled over for going 36 in a 35, and you found out it was the only time anyone in the region had been pulled over for this in 30 years, you'd be cool with it?

It doesn't matter if the driver is "cool with it" or not. His opinion is irrelevant. Don't want a ticket? Don't speed. Your feelings mean jack shit.