Chiefs Orlovsky on Toney - Page 8

LagunaSWana · 12-11-2023, 04:40 PM

Proves to me that Toney is dumber than we thought he was, and that is no easy feat...

https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/sta...27971618369895

AdolfOliverBush · 12-12-2023, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

There is plenty of blame for Toney but if he was doing something all game and never got called then the Ref needed to

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Except the ref doesn't need to

unless the league office tells him to. Would it be nice if he had? Sure, but Toney was clearly offsides, and the official is under no obligation to let him off with a warning no matter how many times he did so on previous plays.

Bottom line, don't ever give the refs a green light to throw a flag for such a dumb penalty. Move the **** back.

**petegz28** · 12-12-2023, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Except the ref doesn't need to

unless the league office tells him to. Would it be nice if he had? Sure, but Toney was clearly offsides, and the official is under no obligation to let him off with a warning no matter how many times he did so on previous plays.

Bottom line, don't ever give the refs a green light to throw a flag for such a dumb penalty. Move the **** back.

Yeah, actually the Ref does need to

. Bottom line call it or don't but don't decide after not calling it for 58 minutes you're suddenly going to call it.

**petegz28** · 12-12-2023, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shields68

Yeah he did not look over long enough for anyone to respond.

How do you know that? It doesn't take much for a Ref to acknowledge.....

Rainbarrel · 12-12-2023, 04:09 PM

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Megatron96 · 12-12-2023, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

How do you know that? It doesn't take much for a Ref to acknowledge.....

Nah, bud. Schwartz and Dan both were pretty clear about it: Toney didn't ask the refs about his alignment. He glanced over basically to tell the ref "I'm on ball," but never 'asked' about his alignment the whole game, according to Orlovsky and others.

This one is different than the Mclaurin fiasco last season. I watched that game, and Terry was on the far side, with the ref about 15 feet from him. He quite clearly asks the ref about his alignment, then moves his front foot a couple inches back, and the ref nods. Then, once Terry looks back at the ball and away from the ref, you can see the ref reach for his waist, where his flag is, and as soon as the ball is snapped, he throws it. That was utter BS, imo.

What Toney does isn't even close to what Terry did.

DrunkBassGuitar · 12-12-2023, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel

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lol if the chiefs losing saves McDermott's job

I'm kinda okay with it if that's the case

MahomesMagic · 12-12-2023, 04:22 PM

Buffalo D choked again under McDermott but were bailed out by the refs.

**petegz28** · 12-12-2023, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar

lol if the chiefs losing saves McDermott's job

I'm kinda okay with it if that's the case

jerryaldini · 12-12-2023, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar

lol if the chiefs losing saves McDermott's job

I'm kinda okay with it if that's the case

I'm pretty sure it did. He failed to kill the clock adequately in their last drive and force our timeouts. He was once again going to be blamed for choking late. Don't think he would have overcome it.

AdolfOliverBush · 12-12-2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, actually the Ref does need to

. Bottom line call it or don't but don't decide after not calling it for 58 minutes you're suddenly going to call it.

He would never have called it if Toney had simply lined up properly. It's 100% on Toney, and not the officials.

DJ's left nut · 12-12-2023, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Also in all other screenshots I've seen of this issue, the side judge has one foot on the blue line. This one has his foot to left of the line, which could have contributed to Toney being off.

What sucks is the ref pool report defense of this they mentioned not being able to see the ball. The ref didn't take into account that Creed moves the ball more than most centers because he likes to grab the point.

This would be my biggest gripe at this point.

If the official was standing in the wrong spot and Toney looked up past the ball and at the official to determine the LOS, then the official is the problem.

I really don't know at this point. Is that official the 'real' LOS? We know it's not the blue line. And Creed could've moved the ball back after Toney lined up. Ultimately isn't the official SUPPOSED to be standing at the LOS there? If so, it would seem that yeah - we might've gotten rat-****ed here.

**petegz28** · 12-12-2023, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

He would never have called it if Toney had simply lined up properly. It's 100% on Toney, and not the officials.

He didn't call it the other 3 or 4 times so.....once again he needed to

Arch Stanton · 12-12-2023, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Typically, Cs move the ball about 3-6 inches when they put their hand on it.

But regardless, Toney has been lining up so close to the neutral zone that he's in it a lot of the time. He's just asking for a ref to throw a flag. I don't care if he was lining up like that the whole game. It's the last drive, and we had to have the score. He lined up in a spot that gave the ref the opportunity to throw a flag, and sink our chances of making the comeback.

That's just Dee Ford stupid.

Exactly.

Just like CJ, when he lined up where he always does, didn't move, gave the ref the opportunity, and got called for encroachment.

Pinchshot · 12-12-2023, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2

And I’m definitely not a conspiracy theorist, but isn’t it interesting that he lined up offsides the entire game and not once was anybody warned about it and then with one minute left they call it? Why not call it in the first quarter or the second quarter or the third quarter when he was offsides why wait until one minute left on one of the most important place of the game?

Well I AM a conspiracy factist and that is exactly what happened.

**petegz28** · 12-12-2023, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

Exactly.

Just like CJ, when he lined up where he always does, didn't move, gave the ref the opportunity, and got called for encroachment.

You do realize you're just making excuses for the Refs not calling games consistently, right? That's pretty much the essence of the entire argument.

And this isn't even a judgement call like say a PI. Or at least not to the same degree. As much as Toney has blame you can't excuse a Ref for seeing this all game and not calling it until the last 2 minutes.

That's like a working for a boss that watches you doing something wrong for months and not saying anything and then when it's review time he drops the bomb knowing you might not have realized you were doing something wrong because he never said anything until it mattered.

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