Gronkowski mulling retirement

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

I want the Pats with all their weapons next year while Mahomes and spags unleash the fury the league is about to witness.

I want the Pats with none of their weapons next year. I want them to go 0-16 and lose every game by 40 points unless they're playing the Broncos, Raiders, or Chargers, in which case I may or may not want them to win, depending on the playoff scenarios.

[JD10367]

There are only two people who matter: Belichick and Brady.

I think he’s retiring, unless Brady convinces him to do one more season.

[dlphg9]

Also is Gronk really a HoFer. He played his entire career with one of the best QBs to ever play.

Gronkowski career stats 9 years playing
521 rec 7861 yds 15.1 avg 79 tds

Jimmy Graham career stats 9 years playing
611 rec 7436 yds 12.2 avg 71 tds

If you think old Rob is a HoFer then you have to think Jim is too.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Also is Gronk really a HoFer. He played his entire career with one of the best QBs to ever play.

Gronkowski career stats 9 years playing
521 rec 7861 yds 15.1 avg 79 tds

Jimmy Graham career stats 9 years playing
611 rec 7436 yds 12.2 avg 71 tds

If you think old Rob is a HoFer then you have to think Jim is too.

Graham might be. You're ignoring the blocking aspect altogether and just stat whoring though. The "9 years" also glosses over that Gronk played in 115 games, while Graham played in 137, so Gronk's per game averages are MUCH higher.

It's simple -- Gronk is the most dominant tight end I've ever seen. He also helped the Patriots get to, and win, multiple SBs. I don't see any chance that he doesn't get in.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

It's simple -- Gronk is the most dominant tight end I've ever seen.

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

Let's not full on crazy. Gonzo maybe not but Shockey? Gronk is an all time great. Really is not a question. Fortunate where he played but he's a great player.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Let's not full on crazy. Gonzo maybe not but Shockey? Gronk is an all time great. Really is not a question. Fortunate where he played but he's a great player.

Physically speaking they were/are extremely similar.

The only difference is who they played with and the environment they were placed in.

Tony Gonzalez is arguably the greatest tight end of all time.

Rob Gronkowski is the Priest Holmes of tight ends.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

Clearly you don't watch much football or something. Shockey was pretty good, but he wasn't Gronk. Couldn't even hold his jock to be honest.

Gonzalez was a GREAT receiver, a mediocre/indifferent blocker most of the time, and was very healthy and played at an extraordinarily high level for a very long time.

But one game, full health, I'll take Gronk in a heartbeat. He's ALSO an elite blocker, which almost none of the other great pass-catching TEs of the last 20 or so years (Gonzalez, Graham, Gates) can say.

[Yehoodi]

Be interesting to see if Gronk decides to retire. He is a big help to the Pats but needs to stay healthy. He gets injured a lot, but for me that has part to do in the way he is tackled. Perhaps Gronk does not want to go through this again.

Be nice if the Pats and Gronk could strike deal where they limit his play to avoid injury and can be around later in the year.

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

When healthy, and folks not going low on Gronk or landing on his ankles, Gronk is one of the best TEs to play in the NFL. He not only is a great receiver as a TE but is a great blocker, something that even Gonzalez admitted that he is not great at blocking.

Gronk is part of the reason why the Pats have been so successful since they drafted him.

Even BB, who is normally quiet about things, lamented at not having Gronk in the playoffs, or in full health, earlier in this decade

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's not even close to as good as Gonzalez was.

He's Jeremy Shockey with a HOF coach and QB leading the way.

Saw this and thought of you, Mr. Worst-Talent-Evaluator there is. Stick to posting GIFs.

https://twitter.com/search?q=zoltan%20buday&src=typd

The highest single season @PFF grades by a TE since 2010:
1. Gronk (2011)
2. Gronk (2014)
3. Gronk (2015)
4. Gronk (2013)
5. Gronk (2012)
6. Gronk (2017)
t-7. Gronk (2016), Greg Olsen (2015) & Jason Witten (2010)
10. Jimmy Graham (2011)

Also note that Shockey didn't even make the 2000 All decade team, and there isn't exactly alot of doubt around who will be the first team all decade team's TE for the 2010s.

[SuperBowl4]

I drafted RG in my fantasy league last year because TK was already taken. I traded RG in week ten because he is not what he used to be.

[Angry fan]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Also is Gronk really a HoFer. He played his entire career with one of the best QBs to ever play.

Gronkowski career stats 9 years playing
521 rec 7861 yds 15.1 avg 79 tds

Jimmy Graham career stats 9 years playing
611 rec 7436 yds 12.2 avg 71 tds

If you think old Rob is a HoFer then you have to think Jim is too.

Jimmy Graham can't block. Just like Kelce can't block. Contrary to all you fantasy football lovers, blocking actually matters. Yes Gronkowski is a hall of famer. How many tight ends in the history of the game could block like Gronkowski?

Jimmy Graham is soft as shit. Not a hall of famer. I mean look at how many DB's made Jimmy Graham their bitch. Remember pre-game playoffs when the Seahawks tossed Jimmy Graham out of their side of warm ups?

[Sorry]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Also is Gronk really a HoFer. He played his entire career with one of the best QBs to ever play.

Gronkowski career stats 9 years playing
521 rec 7861 yds 15.1 avg 79 tds

Jimmy Graham career stats 9 years playing
611 rec 7436 yds 12.2 avg 71 tds

If you think old Rob is a HoFer then you have to think Jim is too.

Gotta take playoff into account and rings

[hawkchief]

No reason he should stay as I’m sure he could have a great career at NASA.