What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2

[dlphg9]

Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

****ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

****ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I think he's a decent WR3. I reckon he'll take a step forward this year but I don't expect to get a great deal more from him than we're seeing.

He's not a bust but you'd hope for more from a 2nd round pick, he's definitely not developed into a replacement WR2 for Watkins. I doubt anyone would pick him ahead of Metcalf or McLaurin if they had the pick again.

You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?



Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by staylor26

So you still don’t understand that Hardman isn’t the X in this offense and never will be.

He might not be the X, but he will absolutely be #2 in targets for WR’s.

And they clearly drafted Powell to be the future X while Robinson was signed to be a stopgap/insurance.

This is only news to you because you don’t have a ****ing clue.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?



Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

“You must spread some reputation around before giving it to DaneMcCloud again”

Have a great weekend Dane!

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You know who our “#2 WR” was last year in terms of production?

Mecole Hardman.

Not shocked but the "number 2" barely played, so its hard to use that example. People have differing definitions of #2. I used to think of it as your best two outside WR's as 1 and two but, that just isnt the case realistically. Hardman will likely be our second best producer, just not at the X role and people will probably still bitch about Sammy being replaced by the Robinson, Pringle and Powell committee.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Not shocked but the "number 2" barely played, so its hard to use that example. People have differing definitions of #2. I used to think of it as your best two outside WR's as 1 and two but, that just isnt the case realistically. Hardman will likely be our second best producer, just not at the X role and people will probably still bitch about Sammy being replaced by the Robinson, Pringle and Powell committee.

Well that #2 is completely out of the picture now, so I don’t see any reason that’s going to change.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

What's wrong?

Dude was always a project.

For the love of God this franchise needs to stop drafting projects in the 2nd rd.

Yeah, because the late second round is just packed with guys that can be Week 1 starters on a Championship football team, and Veach just keeps missing on them.

[staylor26]

A “project” with over 1,000 yard and 10+ TD’s the last 2 seasons.

I don’t think people understand what a “project” is. You’d think Hardman hasn’t even gotten on the field yet.

[Dunerdr]

Man that ball where Mahomes jumps against the titans, Mecole scorched the entired titans d but hes a project.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Remember when we drafted him and I said it was a big mistake based on who else was available and that he was just a fast guy who played football. Yeah I member. You guys jumped down my throat because I didn't pump out the pure positivity that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

It's always like that around here. If you shit on a pick, it's that the Chiefs know best and don't question Veach... etc etc. If you turn out to be wrong too, then hooo boy, what an idiot you are. The same goes if you champion a player that most everyone shits on. The only right way is to agree that all picks are the greatest ever and that we are all idiots because we do not work in the NFL.

I scoffed a bit at Hardman as well, mostly because I really thought Parris Campbell was going to be a player. Two injury-filled years later and I'm not looking really good on the flip side of my argument. I do feel like Hardman is at least a fairly decent, if not above average, #3/slot guy but it is evident he gets scheme-based production. I also feel like that is Hardman's ceiling.

[Kiimo]

I shit on Breeland Speaks and nobody pushed back




But let's be honest that was fish in a barrel

[saphojunkie]

I don't understand the consternation about Mecole Hardman. Sammy Watkins played in ten games last season and had abysmal stats.

I'd rather have Mecole Hardman starting 16 games than Sammy Watkins, not even factoring in that Watkins' cap number was detrimental. We are a better team today for having replaced Watkins with Hardman, and using that money to get Thuney.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I don't understand the consternation about Mecole Hardman. Sammy Watkins played in ten games last season and had abysmal stats.

I'd rather have Mecole Hardman starting 16 games than Sammy Watkins, not even factoring in that Watkins' cap number was detrimental. We are a better team today for having replaced Watkins with Hardman, and using that money to get Thuney.

It all goes back to the CP draft. Mecole was NOT their guy, so they will hate him forever for it.

"Just look at who we could have had!!!"

"Chiefs could have traded back, picked up extra picks and then parlayed those into extra picks- and then used them to fill 10 spots on the team with All-Pro players----but we ****ing picked Hardman instead!"

[Kiimo]

I just want Mecole to get better at route running and concentration because I WANT him to keep getting better.

I understand he isn't the X receiver but I guess I just want him to be more clutch because he is explosive as hell.


But also CEH is going to get more look in the passing game along with Noah. We have a lot of good options without having that traditional second receiver.

I think people were just hoping that Hardman would turn into Calvin Ridley in his second year and it didn't happen partly because there are so many other options

[-King-]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I don't understand the consternation about Mecole Hardman. Sammy Watkins played in ten games last season and had abysmal stats.

I'd rather have Mecole Hardman starting 16 games than Sammy Watkins, not even factoring in that Watkins' cap number was detrimental. We are a better team today for having replaced Watkins with Hardman, and using that money to get Thuney.

Mecole played 6 more games than Watkins and only had 140 more yards, 4 more catches, and 2 more touchdowns a lot more drop. On a per game basis, Watkins was better and they didn't have to run plays specifically for him in order for him to succeed. He fit the natural flow of the offense whereas Mecole really doesn't.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's always like that around here. If you shit on a pick, it's that the Chiefs know best and don't question Veach... etc etc. If you turn out to be wrong too, then hooo boy, what an idiot you are. The same goes if you champion a player that most everyone shits on. The only right way is to agree that all picks are the greatest ever and that we are all idiots because we do not work in the NFL.

I scoffed a bit at Hardman as well, mostly because I really thought Parris Campbell was going to be a player. Two injury-filled years later and I'm not looking really good on the flip side of my argument. I do feel like Hardman is at least a fairly decent, if not above average, #3/slot guy but it is evident he gets scheme-based production. I also feel like that is Hardman's ceiling.

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.