***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigBeauford]

This country is in for some pain with schools starting back up. The delta variant is being passed around and being brought home. I'm worried for middle-aged and elderly caretakers of these kids.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You can actually get the embed code from Twitter's mobile site. You just can't get it from the app, which makes no sense.

If I'm really motivated to embed something, I copy the link from the app, open it in Chrome, and then get the embed code there.

Ah... I would have guessed their app was just a shell for their desktop site, but have used it in a while.

The whole mobile site thing is crazy outdated given decent mobile speeds and screen real estate circa 2010 or earlier, and mildly annoying in Chrome to click that box every time I want to embed a gif or YouTube video.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

This country is in for some pain with schools starting back up. The delta variant is being passed around and being brought home. I'm worried for middle-aged and elderly caretakers of these kids.

Are you suggesting kids are little super spreaders?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

I’m on my phone damn it

Fine I'll keep embedding your tweets for you. Unless I don't like it.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Are you suggesting kids are little super spreaders?

Yes they are. I'm feeling less shitty than my wife did, but we had no clue my 6 year old had it until we got her results back. I'm grateful for that at least.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Yes they are. I'm feeling less shitty than my wife did, but we had no clue my 6 year old had it until we got her results back. I'm grateful for that at least.

My long term girlfriend and I had a talk with her 13 year old daughter about getting the vaccine. She determined for herself she wanted to get it, so that's what we did.

Unfortunately for her 10 year old son, that's not an option right now.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Yes they are. I'm feeling less shitty than my wife did, but we had no clue my 6 year old had it until we got her results back. I'm grateful for that at least.

Hope you and your wife to get to feeling better.

Wasn't long ago people were thinking kids were magic unicorns that couldn't spread it.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Hope you and your wife to get to feeling better.

Wasn't long ago people were thinking kids were magic unicorns that couldn't spread it.

I think there was an argument to be made that last year's strain wasn't at this level with the young ones. I think Delta has changed that game.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

The entire world should be looking to move manufacturing to other countries. Not easy or cheap, but necessary.

What countries are left when the entire world is exporting manufacturing?

[DaFace]

Denver's entire performing arts complex (5 theater and concert halls) has announced mandatory vaccines. Not a surprise necessarily, but interesting to see things continue to shift that way.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Denver's entire performing arts complex (5 theater and concert halls) has announced mandatory vaccines. Not a surprise necessarily, but interesting to see things continue to shift that way.

Going to be interesting to see how this works out in the courts.

I'm guessing it may reach those 9 supreme peeps.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Otter

Going to be interesting to see how this works out in the courts.

I'm guessing it may reach those 9 supreme peeps.

Why? One can bar access for a lot of reasons.

[KCUnited]

Chicago is trying to mandate it for city workers, the 3rd largest employer in the city, and at least one union is already threatening to take it to court.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Why? One can bar access for a lot of reasons.

• Hipaa laws
• Involuntary treatment cases of the past forced medical procedures being taken into account
• Religious beliefs
• Human rights
• Lawyers looking for deep pockets

It's a pretty long list.

My law background consists of a business law class during my undergraduate days so I'm spit balling but I have trouble seeing lawsuits not produced from employees being forced with injection. Just look at the discriminatory cases on employers from everything to race to age let alone a forced injection.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Otter

Going to be interesting to see how this works out in the courts.

I'm guessing it may reach those 9 supreme peeps.

I believe it's already pretty well covered, such as... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco..._Massachusetts

I know with the mask mandates there was a stipulation of "reasonable accommodations" for people who couldn't (or "couldn't") wear a mask.... one restaurant here had to curbside beer and what not for people who refused to wear a mask and I guess some douchenozzles would send workers in multiple times to pick and choose.

So, potentially some exceptions there if a doctor determines you can't or shouldn't take the vaccines, depending on what a reasonable accommodation would be.