Eli Mannng vs. Rivers/Peyton - Page 3

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 10:35 PM

Manning and Rivers will forever be linked due to the draft day trade and the Chargers caving in to the pressure from the Mannings. Eli will also forever be compared to Peyton.

Well, it's pretty easy to see who got the better end of the draft day deal so let's move on to the brotherly comparisons. Eli has accomplished more in his first four seasons than Peyton. I have made the statements before and I'll say it again........with all the adversity that Eli had been through I believe he makes better reads and check downs than Peyton and thus is a better all around QB.

I've always felt Peyton had it easy in Indy. He was blessed to have the WR's he's had since coming into the league. It's easy to hit a deer in an open field. Ask Eli how much skill it takes to put the ball in traffic and make reads.

Any comments?

Pablo · 01-20-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It just amuses me that people hate Rivers and think he's a prick when the guy is the ultimate gamer. He went out there today and gutted it out and tried to win for his team. He showed guts, he possibly has a partial tear of his ACL and his other knee is screwed up yet he was out there...

I watched Tomlinson sit on his ass for 3 hours...yet somehow Rivers is this prick who no one respects..I don't get that, not at all.

Wow..what a trooper. I don't respect Rivers because he is an average QB surrounded by all-pro talent, and they didn't get over the hump this year or last year. As long as Rivers is the QB, the Chargers will always come up short in big games. He's not there and he won't ever be. You could put Croyle on that Chargers squad, behind that line, and he'd do the exact same thing Rivers is doing.

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It just amuses me that people hate Rivers and think he's a prick when the guy is the ultimate gamer. He went out there today and gutted it out and tried to win for his team. He showed guts, he possibly has a partial tear of his ACL and his other knee is screwed up yet he was out there...

I watched Tomlinson sit on his ass for 3 hours...yet somehow Rivers is this prick who no one respects..I don't get that, not at all.

I think the answer to that has already been stated. Tomlinson is a gamer with skills. Rivers can more easily be replaced considering all the talent on that offense.

I am curious as to why LT sat out the game. His injury must be worse than previously stated. We will know in the next couple of days as he will surely have an MRI and surgery if it was bad enough to miss the game.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 11:09 PM

Hey that's great but I have nothing but respect for what Rivers did today. He was obviously ****ed up and he went out there and played, the ultimate gamer. All his teammates obviously have a great deal of respect for him.

He's kinda like the anti-Croyle I guess, partially torn ACL Phillip Rivers is on the field...Croyle is on the bench with a bruise or some such.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He's looked pretty good to me, much better than he did throughout much of the regular season, and, given my QB-starved fantasy team, I had reason to keep a close watch. Sorry, but you're wrong here.

He just hasn't made too many plays. He's done a good job of limiting mistakes and for that he deserves credit. But elite QB? No way.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Wow..what a trooper. I don't respect Rivers because he is an average QB surrounded by all-pro talent, and they didn't get over the hump this year or last year. As long as Rivers is the QB, the Chargers will always come up short in big games. He's not there and he won't ever be. You could put Croyle on that Chargers squad, behind that line, and he'd do the exact same thing Rivers is doing.

Nah he wouldn't because Rivers has guts, you ever injure your knee? To act like what he did was no big deal is funny.

Never win big games eh, guess that game he played in Indy doesn't count.

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Hey that's great but I have nothing but respect for what Rivers did today. He was obviously ****ed up and he went out there and played, the ultimate gamer. All his teammates obviously have a great deal of respect for him.

He's kinda like the anti-Croyle I guess, partially torn ACL Phillip Rivers is on the field...Croyle is on the bench with a bruise or some such.

This was a thread comparing Eli with Rivers and Peyton. Rivers' play hasn't given you enough ammunition so you change the topic to Croyle?

Come'on. Keep on point. Rivers will not be a big game QB. Too average. Too immature.

Pablo · 01-20-2008, 11:11 PM

Without LT, Rivers is nothing.

Eli lost Tiki Barber, who I suppose is HOF material, and ran an offense with two decent running backs, two good WR's and a backup TE. And he still showed up big when it mattered. He looked really damn good in all three playoff games. The same cannot be said for Rivers, unless showing up is getting hurt and taunting fans, all the while pouting like a little girl.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

The same cannot be said for Rivers, unless showing up is getting hurt and taunting fans, all the while pouting like a little girl.

Actually Rivers had two very good playoff games. Rivers' first two games were better than Eli's, no question whatsoever. He was the playmaker driving San Diego's offense.

Rivers is already a much more accurate QB than Eli has ever been.

**DeezNutz** · 01-20-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

He just hasn't made too many plays. He's done a good job of limiting mistakes and for that he deserves credit. But elite QB? No way.

I agree that he missed a few throws today--the one to Steve Smith stands out. But I think you're understating his accuracy tonight in very bad conditions. Given the situation, he played about as well as anyone could IMO.

He's not a top 5 QB in the league. No way. But neither is Rivers, for that matter.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Given the situation, he played about as well as anyone could IMO.

I agree with that. And I'm not real high on either QB to be honest with you. They are both mediocre right now.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 11:14 PM

How much did LT play against the Colts...oh yea...

I'm not saying Rivers is better than Manning is, I'm saying the attitude people have about him is hilarious. You'd think he was the worst QB ever.

People see what they wanna see, I've come to this realization people hate players that have personality unless they are on their teams. "Oh look at Rivers what a punk"

blueballs · 01-20-2008, 11:14 PM

LT kept his helmet on so you couldn't see his pouty face

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Actually Rivers had two very good playoff games. Rivers' first two games were better than Eli's, no question whatsoever. He was the playmaker driving San Diego's offense.

Rivers is already a much more accurate QB than Eli has ever been.

What? No way. Eli was putting balls into places that only his WR had a chance to get them. Eli is maturing nicely into a top 5 QB. The man has nerves of steel. Think of all the adversity he has had to overcome.

**dirk digler** · 01-20-2008, 11:15 PM

Rivers earned my respect today. He went out and played on bad knee and didn't play all that bad. Plus I don't think I saw him trash talk once the whole game

Pablo · 01-20-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Hey that's great but I have nothing but respect for what Rivers did today. He was obviously ****ed up and he went out there and played, the ultimate gamer. All his teammates obviously have a great deal of respect for him.

He's kinda like the anti-Croyle I guess, partially torn ACL Phillip Rivers is on the field...Croyle is on the bench with a bruise or some such.

You're right. He is anti-Croyle, Brodie can throw anywhere on the field with strength, and he has yet to taunt fans.

01-20-2008, 10:35 PM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Eli Mannng vs. Rivers/Peyton Manning and Rivers will forever be linked due to the draft day trade and the Chargers caving in to the pressure from the Mannings. Eli will also forever be compared to Peyton. Well, it's pretty easy to see who got the better end of the draft day deal so let's move on to the brotherly comparisons. Eli has accomplished more in his first four seasons than Peyton. I have made the statements before and I'll say it again........with all the adversity that Eli had been through I believe he makes better reads and check downs than Peyton and thus is a better all around QB. I've always felt Peyton had it easy in Indy. He was blessed to have the WR's he's had since coming into the league. It's easy to hit a deer in an open field. Ask Eli how much skill it takes to put the ball in traffic and make reads. Any comments?
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01-20-2008, 11:09 PM	#33
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2447050	Hey that's great but I have nothing but respect for what Rivers did today. He was obviously ****ed up and he went out there and played, the ultimate gamer. All his teammates obviously have a great deal of respect for him. He's kinda like the anti-Croyle I guess, partially torn ACL Phillip Rivers is on the field...Croyle is on the bench with a bruise or some such.
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01-20-2008, 11:11 PM	#37
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $1849356	Without LT, Rivers is nothing. Eli lost Tiki Barber, who I suppose is HOF material, and ran an offense with two decent running backs, two good WR's and a backup TE. And he still showed up big when it mattered. He looked really damn good in all three playoff games. The same cannot be said for Rivers, unless showing up is getting hurt and taunting fans, all the while pouting like a little girl.
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01-20-2008, 11:14 PM	#41
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2447050	How much did LT play against the Colts...oh yea... I'm not saying Rivers is better than Manning is, I'm saying the attitude people have about him is hilarious. You'd think he was the worst QB ever. People see what they wanna see, I've come to this realization people hate players that have personality unless they are on their teams. "Oh look at Rivers what a punk"
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01-20-2008, 11:14 PM	#42
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	LT kept his helmet on so you couldn't see his pouty face
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01-20-2008, 11:15 PM	#44
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $3114644	Rivers earned my respect today. He went out and played on bad knee and didn't play all that bad. Plus I don't think I saw him trash talk once the whole game
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