Eli Mannng vs. Rivers/Peyton

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 10:35 PM

Manning and Rivers will forever be linked due to the draft day trade and the Chargers caving in to the pressure from the Mannings. Eli will also forever be compared to Peyton.

Well, it's pretty easy to see who got the better end of the draft day deal so let's move on to the brotherly comparisons. Eli has accomplished more in his first four seasons than Peyton. I have made the statements before and I'll say it again........with all the adversity that Eli had been through I believe he makes better reads and check downs than Peyton and thus is a better all around QB.

I've always felt Peyton had it easy in Indy. He was blessed to have the WR's he's had since coming into the league. It's easy to hit a deer in an open field. Ask Eli how much skill it takes to put the ball in traffic and make reads.

Any comments?

Pablo · 01-20-2008, 10:38 PM

Eli's become a pretty solid QB. He's a sight better than Rivers, and I'd be pretty damn happy if he was the Chiefs QB. That being said, he's about 1/2 of the QB Peyton is right now. He's still got time to improve, but he'll never escape his brother's shadow.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 10:38 PM

Who got the better end of that trade? I don't know if I'd say "hey that's an easy call"

That trade netted the Chargers Rivers, Merriman and Kaeding, it wasn't just straight 1-1.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 10:38 PM

Eli has accomplished more because he has a much better defense than Peyton did during his first four years.

Eli played at a pretty average level in these playoffs. Of course, so did Manning in last year's playoffs.

Overall neither has lived up to the hype in the playoffs consistently.

Peyton's still a better quarterback. His accuracy is incredible at times. Eli...not so much.

Pablo · 01-20-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Who got the better end of that trade? I don't know if I'd say "hey that's an easy call"

That trade netted the Chargers Rivers, "roidman" Merriman and Kaeding, it wasn't just straight 1-1.

I'd easily take a franchise QB over a LB and a kicker. Rivers is garbage, he's a crybaby pussy and his arm strenth makes Damon Huard look like Brett Favre. Rivers is more of a liability to that Chargers team than anything.

milkman · 01-20-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Eli's become a pretty solid QB. He's a sight better than Rivers, and I'd be pretty damn happy if he was the Chiefs QB. That being said, he's about 1/2 of the QB Peyton is right now. He's still got time to improve, but he'll never escape his brother's shadow.

After watching Eli in this post season, and Peyton in a number of them, I'd take Eli without a second thought.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 10:42 PM

I think it's great that everyone hates Rivers and thinks he's awful despite him winning 2 playoff games...he's up and down...much like Manning has been.

He played today on 2 bad knees, I don't think Rivers is nearly as bad as he's made out to be here.

blueballs · 01-20-2008, 10:43 PM

Eli made his girlfriend set in the cold stands
because he thought she would jinx him from the suite
then didn't know where she was setting

milkman · 01-20-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's great that everyone hates Rivers and thinks he's awful despite him winning 2 playoff games...he's up and down...much like Manning has been.

He played today on 2 bad knees, I don't think Rivers is nearly as bad as he's made out to be here.

Rivers played well in this post season, but he's still an immature idiot.

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Eli has accomplished more because he has a much better defense than Peyton did during his first four years.

Eli played at a pretty average level in these playoffs. Of course, so did Manning in last year's playoffs.

Overall neither has lived up to the hype in the playoffs consistently.

Peyton's still a better quarterback. His accuracy is incredible at times. Eli...not so much.

Your comments led me to think deeper into the situation. Especially the comment linking Eli's success to the defense. While the defense can keep a team in games the responsibility to score points, control the clock, and manage a game all fall on the shoulders of the QB and OC.

The media does not differentiate in the level of contribution a defense makes to a teams success when comparing QB's such as when they compare Peytons succes vs. Eli's. I've seen them compare just the QB's stats and making comments like "Peyton took 6 seasons before winning his first playoff game."

As we know, not all things are equal such as the OL protection, talent level of WR's, OC systems, coaching philosphies, etc.

With so many contributing factors, how can you say one QB is better than another without taking into consideration just one factor.....team success?

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Rivers played well in this post season, but he's still an immature idiot.

His actions can't help but bring up nightmares of the Wash St. QB.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bhud

With so many contributing factors, how can you say one QB is better than another without taking into consideration just one factor.....team success?

Just look at the number of points the Giants had to score to win in the playoffs.

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21
23

At some point a quarterback is going to have to put up 30. I don't think Eli can do that. We'll see how he does against the Patriots.

Mecca · 01-20-2008, 10:50 PM

Dude he's nothing like Leaf..his teammates actually like him. He is immature but in a totally different kind of way.

Before I remotely say Eli is a top 5 QB he is gonna have to show it consistently. He's been good in the playoffs.

Hammock Parties · 01-20-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's been good in the playoffs.

Not really. He's been average. The best thing anyone can say about Eli these last three weeks is he hasn't thrown a pick. I guess Herm would love him.

**FRCDFED** · 01-20-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Just look at the number of points the Giants had to score to win in the playoffs.

24
21
23

At some point a quarterback is going to have to put up 30. I don't think Eli can do that. We'll see how he does against the Patriots.

You conveniently left out the number of points scored against the Pats in the final game of the season despite being a loss. Eli can put up big numbers if the OC turns him loose. Also in the playoffs you are playing the top teams in the conference which typically results in lower scoring games. Case in point: look at how many points the Pat scored in each of their playoff wins.

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FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Eli Mannng vs. Rivers/Peyton Manning and Rivers will forever be linked due to the draft day trade and the Chargers caving in to the pressure from the Mannings. Eli will also forever be compared to Peyton. Well, it's pretty easy to see who got the better end of the draft day deal so let's move on to the brotherly comparisons. Eli has accomplished more in his first four seasons than Peyton. I have made the statements before and I'll say it again........with all the adversity that Eli had been through I believe he makes better reads and check downs than Peyton and thus is a better all around QB. I've always felt Peyton had it easy in Indy. He was blessed to have the WR's he's had since coming into the league. It's easy to hit a deer in an open field. Ask Eli how much skill it takes to put the ball in traffic and make reads. Any comments?
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01-20-2008, 10:38 PM	#2
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $2019356	Eli's become a pretty solid QB. He's a sight better than Rivers, and I'd be pretty damn happy if he was the Chiefs QB. That being said, he's about 1/2 of the QB Peyton is right now. He's still got time to improve, but he'll never escape his brother's shadow.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2617050	Who got the better end of that trade? I don't know if I'd say "hey that's an easy call" That trade netted the Chargers Rivers, Merriman and Kaeding, it wasn't just straight 1-1.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4710478	Eli has accomplished more because he has a much better defense than Peyton did during his first four years. Eli played at a pretty average level in these playoffs. Of course, so did Manning in last year's playoffs. Overall neither has lived up to the hype in the playoffs consistently. Peyton's still a better quarterback. His accuracy is incredible at times. Eli...not so much. __________________ Chiefs game films
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01-20-2008, 10:42 PM	#7
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2617050	I think it's great that everyone hates Rivers and thinks he's awful despite him winning 2 playoff games...he's up and down...much like Manning has been. He played today on 2 bad knees, I don't think Rivers is nearly as bad as he's made out to be here.
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01-20-2008, 10:50 PM	#13
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2617050	Dude he's nothing like Leaf..his teammates actually like him. He is immature but in a totally different kind of way. Before I remotely say Eli is a top 5 QB he is gonna have to show it consistently. He's been good in the playoffs.
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