***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...9bhg-hcku/data

This is the data from when we were at 131k deaths (were at around 148k now)

36 people 15 years or under had died from Covid-19.

190 people 16 years old to 24 years old.

It appears it would be correct to say that Covid-19 is less fatal than the 2010 H1N1 outbreak in children and teens.

About 105k deaths of ppl 65+ years old of the 131k sampled.

It IS a virus older people should be gravely AFRAID of.

It IS a virus children and teens should not be very afraid of at least to their own health.

Look at how Covid becomes EXPONENTIALLY more dangerous as one ages compared to influenza.

We keep hearing more and more that Covid is a vascular disease as opposed to a respiratory disease. Some of what I have read see that as to why the younger ages are not as affected when typically with a respiratory disease they are like the flu.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Science is sterile and never evolving and our understanding of the virus reached its peak a few weeks so you do have a point. It doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Ummmmm...

Last time they were going to release guidelines they were held up by politicians.

Now they changed and got more lax as numbers are skyrocketing.

That seems like something reasonable?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Ummmmm...

Last time they were going to release guidelines they were held up by politicians.

Now they changed and got more lax as numbers are skyrocketing.

That seems like something reasonable?

What part of the guidelines do you find unreasonable?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

What part of the guidelines do you find unreasonable?

The part where they say they can go to school but should limit their exposure to children and adults outside of school is fairly contradictory.

[SAUTO]

There should be no in person playdates but send then into a school 5 days a week?


Makes total sense CDC...

[O.city]

Similar to why certain things are deemed essential, education is essential play dates aren’t

[petegz28]

Interesting note...as of yesterday morning JoCo had 97 deaths reported yesterday and now it is down to 92. I am wondering if they had to make a correction somewhere?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Similar to why certain things are deemed essential, education is essential play dates aren’t

The argument I am seeing over school is ridiculous. If you live where Dane is I can see not sending kids. If you live where I do there is hardly an argument not to send them. Also most districts are offering remote learning as an option so you are not "forced" to send your child.

The part that is really pissing me off is this "school is not day care". I won't get into the fact that we pay taxes but to an extent parents do rely on schools and we have for decades so it isn't like this is some new paradigm.

Secondly a lot of the people I see saying "we can't risk a Teacher or Student" are the same people I see going out everywhere or at the grocery store with 3 carts full of groceries for their family get together they are having with a shit load of people.

People are letting their kids play together outside or go over to one another's house but suddenly when it's time to go back to work for our educational staff then some have found a new concern for their health.

It's a tough decision that has to be made by each district but enough with the fear mongering.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Similar to why certain things are deemed essential, education is essential play dates aren’t

Education can also be done from home.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The argument I am seeing over school is ridiculous. If you live where Dane is I can see not sending kids. If you live where I do there is hardly an argument not to send them. Also most districts are offering remote learning as an option so you are not "forced" to send your child.

The part that is really pissing me off is this "school is not day care". I won't get into the fact that we pay taxes but to an extent parents do rely on schools and we have for decades so it isn't like this is some new paradigm.

Secondly a lot of the people I see saying "we can't risk a Teacher or Student" are the same people I see going out everywhere or at the grocery store with 3 carts full of groceries for their family get together they are having with a shit load of people.

People are letting their kids play together outside or go over to one another's house but suddenly when it's time to go back to work for our educational staff then some have found a new concern for their health.

It's a tough decision that has to be made by each district but enough with the fear mongering.

we aren't doing any of those things.

In our county 54 percent of students live with their grand parents. What about them? At this point there is no opt out in our district.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

There should be no in person playdates but send then into a school 5 days a week?


Makes total sense CDC...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/roanoke...0b39b.amp.html

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Education can also be done from home.

Tell that to the single Mom with a 7 year old.

Or the struggling family of 2 or 3 where both Parents have to work and neither are qualified to teach.

And exactly what kind of education do you think a 9 year old is going to get sitting in front of a laptop all day?


Do you think people can just drop everything they are doing to stay home?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

we aren't doing any of those things.

In our county 54 percent of students live with their grand parents. What about them? At this point there is no opt out in our district.

Just stay home and teach them.....

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Just stay home and teach them.....

Ok.

Just like everything else with you Pete.

**** those people, right?

[BigCatDaddy]

Numerous studys from other countries support the CDC here as well.