***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Shows us at 2%.

I'm not sure I trust these numbers completely but that is far more likely compared to 20%

Btw it's not just asymptomatic people that skew the numbers from what you are seeing, their are a number of people who have had the virus with mild symptoms and cleared it and will never go reported. We have no idea what that number is unfortunately, but it could be a very substantial portion of the population given how long the virus has been in the US and how quickly it spreads.

Yeah those numbers are pretty accepted as being wrong in the US.

There is also a delaying factor as it takes patients time to get sick and become critical.

Relying on an average of the world and what the Drs were saying.

Hopefully they end up being lower but I don’t think it is 2% based on what the rest of the world is seeing — agree with you that there are all kinds of variables that can change it but suspect it will be close at the end of the day.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/palafo/status/12...527876097?s=21

Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas

State graphs of last date each state can act before "point of no return". https://covidactnow.org/state/MO?fbc...4vgDkOoljohtNQ

Originally Posted by ChiefEd

New York new cases just dropped back to 5K on Worldometers site. Error?

I don't know what to make of any of this.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by ChiefEd

New York new cases just dropped back to 5K on Worldometers site. Error?

Clearly.

Wiseacres have been hacking them — this is great news.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Clearly.

Wiseacres have been hacking them — this is great news.

What kind of sick, twisted ****er would do that?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

I don't know what to make of any of this.

The one I posted from Iceland kind of goes along with the thought that’s there’s a lot of asymptomatic patients and very mild cases out there that never get tested.

That’s bad in that they can spread it to more people and quicker

But could be looked at as being good since it will allow it to burn thru the population quicker and immunity achieved. It will also theoretically lower the death rate substantially.

The way I kind of interpret that is that it may not actually be that much more virulent than the flu, but essentially we’re gonna do flu season (which is normally 6 months) in about a month woth a virus that we have no immunization to and have never experienced it before so no immunity

[Discuss Thrower]

Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter because of shutdowns to combat the coronavirus, with an unprecedented 50% drop in gross domestic product.

Bullard called for a powerful fiscal response to replace the $2.5 trillion in lost income that quarter to ensure a strong eventual U.S. recovery, adding the Fed would be poised to do more to ensure markets function during a period of high volatility.

Source

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

What kind of sick, twisted ****er would do that?

Same ones pretending to need care only to steal medical supplies in the ER?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Source

dont have to know economics to know they need to get a shit ton of cash into workers hands so they can spend it or we are all going to be ****ed longer than a couple of months. .

[Hammock Parties]

The Police in Mallorca, Spain making rounds around villages on lock down to do this ��

To alleviate the anxiety of the people and to keep them entertained ❤ pic.twitter.com/lHZCnKmxgr

— StanceGrounded (@_SJPeace_) March 22, 2020

[oaklandhater]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...n/?arc404=true

kinda of wish it was just national at this point state to state seems pointless.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Same ones pretending to need care only to steal medical supplies in the ER?

I wouldn't say they're the same. The people pretending to need emergency care are way worse than some idiot nerds changing a number on a website. The ones that are faking illness to steal are taking up valuable time from doctors and nurses, potentially taking a room from someone who needs it, and taking valuable limited medical supplies that they dont need.

Those ****ing scum bags need to experience the worst version of this virus and not be able to get treatment because they stole it from the hospital.

[Bob Dole]

oaklandhater has a new website up. https://www.covidactnow.org/

In all seriousness, it's pretty bleak when even the state with the fewest cases (WV) shows 3-month quarantine NOW.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...n/?arc404=true

kinda of wish it was just national at this point state to state seems pointless.

At the link there are picture after picture of people congregating.

NYC is running subways (I understand the point about people needing it to get around and doctors getting to work).

Not sure how you stop the spread while people continue to get together.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

The way I kind of interpret that is that it may not actually be that much more virulent than the flu, but essentially we’re gonna do flu season (which is normally 6 months) in about a month woth a virus that we have no immunization to and have never experienced it before so no immunity

This is how I am leaning at this time as well.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

oaklandhater has a new website up. https://www.covidactnow.org/

In all seriousness, it's pretty bleak when even the state with the fewest cases (WV) shows 3-month quarantine NOW.

West Virginia made news because they were the last state with a case and having the fewest cases, but they are barely testing. They've still done less than 400 tests, total.