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Old 03-12-2019, 06:19 PM  
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UPDATE: Ford to 49ers for a 2020 2nd round pick. Official.





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Old 03-12-2019, 09:49 PM   #571
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He was near the top of the league in pressures normalized by pass rushing attempts. We traded a top 5 pass rusher for a next year 2nd. I would be ecstatic to trade a future second for a top five pass rusher.
I appreciate your input; out of curiosity who were the top 5 based on that model?
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:49 PM   #572
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The offsides is part of his deficiencies.

He's a ****ing moron. Tredadda nailed it a few posts earlier. He's undisciplined. Add that to all of his other shortcomings, and we arrive at the same conclusion: he's just not worth a longterm deal, and if you can ship him out before committing $15 million for one year of a tag contract, you do that ASAP.
The blind rat bastard even lined up offsides in the pro bowl. **** him
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:49 PM   #573
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Are you the fat kid in this old commercial?

Yes, that's me. You're so smart. It still doesn't change the fact that Veach sucks at trading.

If we wanted ammo to move up then the 49ers 2nd round pick this year would have been perfect. Too bad, so sad.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:50 PM   #574
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The blind rat bastard even lined up offsides in the pro bowl. **** him
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:50 PM   #575
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Except SF gave $88 million for a guy who is a huge injury risk. This has Houston or Berry written all over it.
Too risky.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:52 PM   #576
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Hey genius, Ford's natural position is DE. Plus, Spag's system utilizes a LEO end that's a pass rush specialist more so than a run stopper. While he doesn't have protypical size, he is elite at rushing the passer.



Meanwhile in Spag's system the safety is often tasked with coverage responsibilities that are clearly the Honey Badger's weakness.

Hey, genius...

How is that going to help the Chiefs improve their leaky sieve run defense, which was made leakier by his weakness in run defense?

Taking a guy who can’t hold the edge as an OLB and making him a DE isn’t going to improve that.

Mathieu has had injury problems, sure. But the commitment is smaller and shorter.

A guy with his success as a slot corner in the recent past has some coverage skills. He may not be a deep safety specialist, but he’s versatile and can be used in less predictable ways.
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:01 PM   #577
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If this happens and the pick works out, I’m good, but that is several things falling into place.
Montez Sweat seems to be the target if it's a 1st round passrusher if you go by the interviews at the combine
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:01 PM   #578
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Ford was still the best player on defense and Houston was 3rd best behind Jones. We have lost 2 of our best players on D. Plus down a CB too. So yeah- we are worse at the moment. I am not sure how stating the obvious is whining like a bitch.


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Old 03-12-2019, 10:03 PM   #579
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Yes, that's me. You're so smart. It still doesn't change the fact that Veach sucks at trading.
Incorrect!
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What else would you call a DE/OLB who is a liability against the run and in pass defense?
I would call him a great pass rusher.
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You mean TM? He has played in 32 games over the last two seasons. What about Ford? He’s going to get owned in the NFL by LTs as a DE.
What kept them from owning him as an OLB?
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I would call him a great pass rusher.
Would you consider him greater than Chandler Jones?
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Would you consider him greater than Chandler Jones?
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:13 PM   #584
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I appreciate your input; out of curiosity who were the top 5 based on that model?
I can’t share the data but here are several of the top guys in alphabetical order:

Joey Bosa
Fletcher Cox
Aaron Donald
Dee Ford
Jerry Hughes
Chris Jones
Kabul Mack
Cameron Wake
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:13 PM   #585
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What kept them from owning him as an OLB?
The fact that he had more than a step before he engaged the LT. With his hand in the dirt he will have to get up and then get around the LT. As an OLB he was already standing. If it were the same thing then any good passrushing OLB could transition to DE with no drop off.
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