Chiefs What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 - Page 34

dlphg9 · 02-17-2021, 05:43 AM

Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918

This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

****ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

****ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.

staylor26 · 09-14-2021, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flinchfree

Patrick Mahomes is on the sideline. Andy asks him, 'Who do you want as an option to throw to after we put Kelce and Hill on the field? Watkins or Mecole?'

Regular season, post season, Super Bowl, take your pick of the game.
Both players healthy, Mahomes gets to choose who he thinks is the better option.

Who do you think Patrick asks for?

Now ask the same question of Kelce and Hill, who do THEY want on the field either getting open or just drawing attention to make their lives easier?

Ask anyone in the league, assuming Watkins is healthy enough to take the field, who they want????

Mecole adds a wrinkle. He's not a real extra receiver out on the field.

Many of you seem to think I’m arguing that Hardman is as good or better, even after I’ve already acknowledged that Watkins stepped up big when it mattered most.

That wasn’t the point.

I’m simply talking about regular season production.

htismaqe · 09-14-2021, 10:12 AM

He actually fell forward and got a first down on Sunday. Baby steps. 😂

htismaqe · 09-14-2021, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flinchfree

Patrick Mahomes is on the sideline. Andy asks him, 'Who do you want as an option to throw to after we put Kelce and Hill on the field? Watkins or Mecole?'

Regular season, post season, Super Bowl, take your pick of the game.
Both players healthy, Mahomes gets to choose who he thinks is the better option.

Who do you think Patrick asks for?

Now ask the same question of Kelce and Hill, who do THEY want on the field either getting open or just drawing attention to make their lives easier?

Ask anyone in the league, assuming Watkins is healthy enough to take the field, who they want????

Mecole adds a wrinkle. He's not a real extra receiver out on the field.

You’re assuming Watkins is healthy. He never is, so the whole discussion is moot.

CasselGotPeedOn · 09-16-2021, 12:32 PM

This dumbass can't even keep track of his helmet

Dave Toub said Mecole Hardman was wearing Tyreek Hill's helmet on his punt return on Sunday.
— Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) September 16, 2021

Dunerdr · 09-16-2021, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn

This dumbass can't even keep track of his helmet

Dave Toub said Mecole Hardman was wearing Tyreek Hill's helmet on his punt return on Sunday.
— Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) September 16, 2021

If he was talking to his posistion coach or OC and didnt realize the down and distance im not even mad.

**New World Order** · 09-16-2021, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You’re assuming Watkins is healthy. He never is, so the whole discussion is moot.

Gotta lay off Sammy.

He was our leading postseason receiver (iirc) during our SB run and could line up against guys like Sherman and beat them one-on-one.

Robinson and Mecole ain't doing that.

**BigRedChief** · 09-21-2021, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano

Hardman destroyed his man with the stutter step start of his route. The CB was panicked and flailing. The safety picked up the route brilliantly and Mahomes put it in a spot where only Hardman could potentially get it. It was great coverage and a safe throw/throwaway. There isn’t a person on the planet that catches that ball.

Hardmans head was down because he knew the only way to beat the safety and get under the ball was to hit top speed and, last I checked, sprinters don’t look over their shoulders on the home stretch.

Thats his problem. Being a sprinter got him to the NFL. He's not learned how to be a football player yet. He is not the sharpest tool in the shed but he's smart enough to learn routes and the playbook. Athletic enough to run a route properly. So what's the hold up?

-King- · 09-21-2021, 08:48 AM

He had a decent game on Sunday. A bunch I go"real" WR plays and catches instead of them having to dial up special plays for him. Still had a few dumb moments but good game overall

tredadda · 09-21-2021, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

He had a decent game on Sunday. A bunch I go"real" WR plays and catches instead of them having to dial up special plays for him. Still had a few dumb moments but good game overall

He always plays well vs Baltimore for some reason. It's the other 30 teams that he struggles against.

JPH83 · 09-21-2021, 08:54 AM

Limited snaps but I honestly thought Pringle looked better. Guess he was up against their absolute wasters, but still.

Rainbarrel · 09-21-2021, 08:56 AM

He stuck a spoonful of Jiff in his mouth. Skimmed some off the top and put the spoon back in the jar. Disgusting as hell, but effective.

Dunerdr · 09-21-2021, 09:00 AM

Hardman was not bad at all. 5 for 8 for 65ish if i remember right. I woldnt be pissed if he did that in the fashion that he did it, all season. It didnt feel like they were trying to force him the ball.

ThaVirus · 09-26-2021, 06:23 PM

Credit where it's due, he ran hard today. Looked like a football player with the ball in his hands.

We'll still need him to develop legitimate WR skills but even if he never does he is still one of the better gadget guys in the league.

**Easy 6** · 09-26-2021, 06:36 PM

He didn’t do anything to dispel the idea that he’s a gadget guy, but he did prove that he can be a damn good gadget… he ran with real power on that td, his speed alone created so much momentum that he became unstoppable

Mecca · 09-26-2021, 06:38 PM

They felt comfortable with him running a gagdget behind the LOS play...when it came to being a WR not so much.

02-17-2021, 05:43 AM
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2049653	What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2 Spoiler alert! Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem. Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy. Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds Top 2 options Targets - 212 Rec - 148 Yards - 2064 Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds Top 2 options Targets - 273 Rec - 209 Yards - 2502 Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds Top 2 options Targets - 193 Rec - 135 Yards - 1846 Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds Top 2 options Targets - 198 Rec - 135 Yards - 2059 New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds Top 2 options Targets - 189 Rec - 144 Yards - 1482 Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds Top 2 options Targets - 188 Rec - 116 Yards - 1470 Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds Top 2 options Targets - 261 Rec - 183 Yards - 2357 Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds Top 2 options Targets - 164 Rec - 99 Yards - 1391 Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense 3rd most productive receiving option Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds Top 2 options Targets - 227 Rec - 155 Yards - 2092 Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option : Targets - 62 Receptions - 41 Yards - 530 Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined : Targets - 212 Receptions - 147 Yards - 1918 This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option Targets - 62 (62 avg) Receptions - 41 (41 avg) Yards - 560 (530 avg) Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined Targets - 280 (most in group) Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group) Yards - 2692 (most in group) So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats. TLDR; Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time. PS: Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs. PSS: **ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games! PSSS: **ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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