BRC is no longer a "real" fan.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Claythan

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

Bullshit. He's the damned head coach. He dictated a conservative approach to the game.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Bullshit. He's the damned head coach. He dictated a conservative approach to the game.

So? It was warranted considering the state of the line.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Claythan

So? It was warranted considering the state of the line.

God knows we don't want no circus or arena ball.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

God knows we don't want no circus or arena ball.

Just take a knee. It's the only safe thing to do.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Claythan

I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

Absolutely.

I hate to see Herm come to this team and try to change things, only to become the focus of fan frustration that built up for years and years before Herm was ever a part of the franchise. The guy isn't a rocket surgeon by any means, but he's trying a different approach other than what hasn't worked for the last decade.

And fans continue to point to his time with the Jets as justification for future suckatude... like people remember Belichick's record before he came to NE and changed that franchise. Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

Bill Belichick

1992		Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	7		9		.438
1993		Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	7		9		.438
1994		Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	11		5		.688
1995		Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	5		11		.313
2000		New England Patriots	NFL	16	5		11		.313

And this isn't saying anything towards BRC's choice to cancel his ST status. Statements like his are absolutely necessary for the future of the franchise. But to turn his ST decision into Herm bashing is unwarranted IMO.

[Brock]

He's doing a pretty good job of building the team for the next guy, so at least there's that.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Brock

He's doing a pretty good job of building the team for the next guy, so at least there's that.

That is what keeping alot of fans lingering around. We know that in 2010 we will have a new GM and coaching staff. This will give the Chiefs fans many reasons to celebrate and ST sales will skyrocket....

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Absolutely.

I hate to see Herm come to this team and try to change things, only to become the focus of fan frustration that built up for years and years before Herm was ever a part of the franchise. The guy isn't a rocket surgeon by any means, but he's trying a different approach other than what hasn't worked for the last decade.

And fans continue to point to his time with the Jets as justification for future suckatude... like people remember Belichick's record before he came to NE and changed that franchise. Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

Bill Belichick



And this isn't saying anything towards BRC's choice to cancel his ST status. Statements like his are absolutely necessary for the future of the franchise. But to turn his ST decision into Herm bashing is unwarranted IMO.

KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.

Even in 1988 they didn't take a knee with 1 1/2 minutes left in the half.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.

Herm wants to build this team into a young physical no-gimmick offense that practices ball control with a stuff-it-down-the-throat running game and balanced passing game. Herm and Chan have both said they will adapt the offense to the abilities of the players we have, instead of making them play a style of offense that doesn't suit the players' strong points. Are you saying the fans are frustrated with that? If so... why?

I find it mind boggling that fans honestly think Herm would rather have field goals than a touchdown. Playing ball control, field position offense is not equivalent to a Field Goal Extravaganza.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Herm wants to build this team into a young physical no-gimmick offense that practices ball control with a stuff-it-down-the-throat running game and balanced passing game. Herm and Chan have both said they will adapt the offense to the abilities of the players we have, instead of making them play a style of offense that doesn't suit the players' strong points. Are you saying the fans are frustrated with that? If so... why?

I find it mind boggling that fans honestly think Herm would rather have field goals than a touchdown. Playing ball control, field position offense is not equivalent to a Field Goal Extravaganza.

Wow I dont have the time to list out the "why's" in this reply today... I will try and get back to you later tonight on this one.. Have to go fly....

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

Not to completely hijack, but in order to improve, you have to be willing to change. Not just change players and playcalling, but change philosophies so you can get ahead of the curve and have a distinct advantage over the competition.

Herm hasn't updated his philosophy to match the '80s much less get ahead of today's curve. Maybe Bill was the same way when he was with Cleveland, but I don't see Herm changing the way he sees the game. IMO, he'll always be a coach that keeps both teams in the game, because of his philosophy that the most you can possibly do is have a chance to win at the end. It's the 50/50 philosophy, which doesn't work when you want to win more than one or two playoff games.[/hijack]

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Not to completely hijack, but in order to improve, you have to be willing to change. Not just change players and playcalling, but change philosophies so you can get ahead of the curve and have a distinct advantage over the competition.

Herm hasn't updated his philosophy to match the '80s much less get ahead of today's curve. Maybe Bill was the same way when he was with Cleveland, but I don't see Herm changing the way he sees the game. IMO, he'll always be a coach that keeps both teams in the game, because of his philosophy that the most you can possibly do is have a chance to win at the end. It's the 50/50 philosophy, which doesn't work when you want to win more than one or two playoff games.[/hijack]

KC Fish, Big Daddy Bearcat summed it up very nicely...

Herm will always be the square peg in the round hole...

[Sully]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Absolutely.

I hate to see Herm come to this team and try to change things, only to become the focus of fan frustration that built up for years and years before Herm was ever a part of the franchise. The guy isn't a rocket surgeon by any means, but he's trying a different approach other than what hasn't worked for the last decade.

And fans continue to point to his time with the Jets as justification for future suckatude... like people remember Belichick's record before he came to NE and changed that franchise. Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

Bill Belichick



And this isn't saying anything towards BRC's choice to cancel his ST status. Statements like his are absolutely necessary for the future of the franchise. But to turn his ST decision into Herm bashing is unwarranted IMO.

I'm just finishing a book about Belichick that is amazing. The problem with simply looking at his record in Cleveland and NE early is it completely ignores the man's history, as well as the circumstances surrounding his years in Cleveland.
Belichick's entire life was a buildup to him being a great coach, including years and years of toiling for nearly no money building his resume and his knowledge of the game. Herm didn't even want to coach before he was begged to come work by Dungy. He wanted to scout. So far, it seems he would've been great at that job. As a coach, he may improve, but up till now, no one is impressed.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Claythan

I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.