***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Oh I get it you are allowed to point to data trends and extrapolate them out into crazy conspiracy theories but no one else is?

Just wanna make sure we are on the same page.


And to answer you question, YES there have already been studies saying this EXACT thing is happening.

Yeah, two instances is an example. A correlation like you are making is baldly ridiculous.

"I'm having problems breathing. I better not go to the hospital, I'd hate to get COVID and have to get treatment for breathing problems." I'm sure some people are that stupid. But I doubt that many people are that stupid. And that's ignoring the massive assumptions you're making about underlying mortality of bacterial pneumonia.

If it were heart disease it would make more sense.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This is a lie and has been debunked

Debunked by who?

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...ade-them-stop/

Florida's reporting has been a shitshow at best, and purposefully deceiving at worst.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...ng-some-cases/

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...00-coronavirus

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-w...m-her-position

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, two instances is an example. A correlation like you are making is baldly ridiculous.

"I'm having problems breathing. I better not go to the hospital, I'd hate to get COVID and have to get treatment for breathing problems." I'm sure some people are that stupid. But I doubt that many people are that stupid. And that's ignoring the massive assumptions you're making about underlying mortality of bacterial pneumonia.

If it were heart disease it would make more sense.

Read TLO's post 3/4 up.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

You completely missed the point of the previously linked post. AMERICANS are largely doing what's necessary, and from what I've seen with my own two eyes, is that effort is largely being threatened by a community comprised mostly by non-Americans, or products thereof.



There's no crusade to go on against a small minority of Americans who don't want to wear a mask. The VAST MAJORITY are doing what's necessary. I see it every damn day. There is a much larger problem that the country is sticking their head in the sand about. Y'all are choosing the wrong battle here.

No, I get that point. I, too, wish that these non-Americans would wear masks.

My issue with BR, an American, is that he openly stated that he doesn't give a **** about other Americans dying.

That's why he's a worthless piece of trash.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This is a lie and has been debunked

Do you ever get tired of just lying nonstop?

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...se/5182813002/

The USA TODAY Network — Florida and other news sites have obtained the Medical Examiners Commission’s data of COVID-19 deaths as part of a public records request. The Florida Department of Health had blocked the commission from releasing the spreadsheet. When the state agreed to release it last week, state officials attempted to redact the narratives with details about each death and the cause of death. The DOH had said they were concerned about privacy. However, that information has always been public in Florida

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/polit...eld/index.html

The Florida Department of Health asked the Florida Medical Examiners Commission not to release the commission's comprehensive list of coronavirus deaths, the commission's chairman told CNN on Thursday.

Dr. Stephen Nelson said that the commission was told by the Florida Department of Health: "Don't send it out."
His comments come after the Tampa Bay Times said that the list from the medical examiners had previously been released in real time, but, after the newspaper reported that the tally was 10% higher than the health department's tally, state officials directed that the list be reviewed and potentially redacted.
The pause in reporting, the Times said, has been occurring for nine days

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ok,

Well there is a difference between bias and none bias. Some of you clearly have a bias and accuse anyone you disagree with of having their own bias.

...

see, this is the problem I have with anti-intellectualism.


I have a phd in genetics and did a TON of undergrad and early grad school work on infectious diseases. it's the reason I have a hard science phd.

hamas has a phd and goddamn if he's not the smartest mother****er on this site.

science teaches you very early on that bias is inherent. there are LITERALLY means in science and the scientific method that try to account for bias.

will we ever kill bias? no. it's human nature. when you're doing an experiment you try your best to DISPROVE your hypothesis. that's literally baked into the scientific method. null hypothesis.

but we think about bias all the time... do you? do you deep dive news channels and sources of information that disagree with you? because I see one side of the argument quoting people with a ton of education. I see the other side of the argument spamming fox news and right leaning sources.

look, here's the basic fact of life. neil degrasse tyson is a douche but he's correct: "That's the good thing about science: It's true whether or not you believe in it. That's why it works" (not the whole quote but directly in context). science is a process. yes there is bias inherent in human nature. but one side chooses to study an issue more and try to come up with a solution... the other not so much.

like the phone you're typing on possibly, or your pc? science helped that. have a health problem? yeah, science helped you. there are 7.8ish billion people on this planet and for the life of me I won't understand how like 100 million people in this country and more worldwide are anti-science because it doesn't fit their agenda.

science has one agenda. facts. if you don't like facts, that's ok. but please don't just throw science out the window because you don't like the conclusions it leads us to.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Read TLO's post 3/4 up.

Read my post again.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

You completely missed the point of the previously linked post. AMERICANS are largely doing what's necessary, and from what I've seen with my own two eyes, is that effort is largely being threatened by a community comprised mostly by non-Americans, or products thereof.



There's no crusade to go on against a small minority of Americans who don't want to wear a mask. The VAST MAJORITY are doing what's necessary. I see it every damn day. There is a much larger problem that the country is sticking their head in the sand about. Y'all are choosing the wrong battle here.

I dunno I was at Nebraska furniture mart the other day and I saw quite a few fat white dudes with goatees not wearing masks...

[jdubya]

911 calls and ambulance transports are down nearly 50% from normal in my county of 1.1 million people. I am told by medics and ER docs that folks who need medical care are too scared to come to the hospitals. Local fire departments with ambulances and private ambulance companies are losing tons of revenue. I have no data as to how many patients have died because of lack of prompt care or not....

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

see, this is the problem I have with anti-intellectualism.


I have a phd in genetics and did a TON of undergrad and early grad school work on infectious diseases. it's the reason I have a hard science phd.

hamas has a phd and goddamn if he's not the smartest mother****er on this site.

science teaches you very early on that bias is inherent. there are LITERALLY means in science and the scientific method that try to account for bias.

will we ever kill bias? no. it's human nature. when you're doing an experiment you try your best to DISPROVE your hypothesis. that's literally baked into the scientific method. null hypothesis.

but we think about bias all the time... do you? do you deep dive news channels and sources of information that disagree with you? because I see one side of the argument quoting people with a ton of education. I see the other side of the argument spamming fox news and right leaning sources.

look, here's the basic fact of life. neil degrasse tyson is a douche but he's correct: "That's the good thing about science: It's true whether or not you believe in it. That's why it works" (not the whole quote but directly in context). science is a process. yes there is bias inherent in human nature. but one side chooses to study an issue more and try to come up with a solution... the other not so much.

like the phone you're typing on possibly, or your pc? science helped that. have a health problem? yeah, science helped you. there are 7.8ish billion people on this planet and for the life of me I won't understand how like 100 million people in this country and more worldwide are anti-science because it doesn't fit their agenda.

science has one agenda. facts. if you don't like facts, that's ok. but please don't just throw science out the window because you don't like the conclusions it leads us to.

PharmD, not PhD

You guys have a lot more patience for the minutiae of research than I do.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

see, this is the problem I have with anti-intellectualism.


I have a phd in genetics and did a TON of undergrad and early grad school work on infectious diseases. it's the reason I have a hard science phd.

hamas has a phd and goddamn if he's not the smartest mother****er on this site.

science teaches you very early on that bias is inherent. there are LITERALLY means in science and the scientific method that try to account for bias.

will we ever kill bias? no. it's human nature. when you're doing an experiment you try your best to DISPROVE your hypothesis. that's literally baked into the scientific method. null hypothesis.

but we think about bias all the time... do you? do you deep dive news channels and sources of information that disagree with you? because I see one side of the argument quoting people with a ton of education. I see the other side of the argument spamming fox news and right leaning sources.

look, here's the basic fact of life. neil degrasse tyson is a douche but he's correct: "That's the good thing about science: It's true whether or not you believe in it. That's why it works" (not the whole quote but directly in context). science is a process. yes there is bias inherent in human nature. but one side chooses to study an issue more and try to come up with a solution... the other not so much.

like the phone you're typing on possibly, or your pc? science helped that. have a health problem? yeah, science helped you. there are 7.8ish billion people on this planet and for the life of me I won't understand how like 100 million people in this country and more worldwide are anti-science because it doesn't fit their agenda.

science has one agenda. facts. if you don't like facts, that's ok. but please don't just throw science out the window because you don't like the conclusions it leads us to.

Because we live in an age where people want to believe what makes them feel good and anything that challenges that isn't for studying it's for denying.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, I get that point. I, too, wish that these non-Americans would wear masks.

My issue with BR, an American, is that he openly stated that he doesn't give a **** about other Americans dying.

That's why he's a worthless piece of trash.

He's not even worth responding to. I just take exception when it's put in those specific terms and I'm tired of it and will call it out every time. You're not the only one though, I've seen it over and over on this board.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Because we live in an age where people want to believe what makes them feel good and anything that challenges that isn't for studying it's for denying.

Ironic

[Ebolapox]

I mean, look... I can shout all day that the sky is green but I'd be wrong. argue with emotion all day long but the facts... the basic freaking facts... like how a lysosome does its job in the cell (any of you people who think this is a hoax remember high school science and learning about cells?!?) are correct and true regardless of what you want to believe.

by the way, go ahead and challenge me on some basic science, that'd be fun. I only have a peer reviewed article on a lysosomal storage disease caused by a genetic mutation. weird flex, I know, but... for crying out loud, it feels like nobody paid attention to high school science.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

He's not even worth responding to. I just take exception when it's put in those specific terms and I'm tired of it and will call it out every time. You're not the only one though, I've seen it over and over on this board.

What specific terms? If your argument is that since you've seen some non-Americans not wearing masks no American should, we'll just agree to disagree.