Fruit Juice....just as bad for you as soda.

[CrazyPhuD]

Frankly this is the least surprising result in the history of science. Shocker...what's bad for you from obesity/diabetes is liquid calories that don't make you feel full. The fact that it's natural doesn't make it any better.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-0...ce-sugary.html

(Medical Xpress)—Drinking fruit juice is potentially just as bad for you as drinking sugar-sweetened drinks because of its high sugar content, two medical researchers from the University of Glasgow have warned.
Writing in The Lancet Diabetes and Endocrinology journal, Professor Naveed Sattar and Dr Jason Gill – both of the university's Institute of Cardiovascular and Medical Sciences – call for better labelling of fruit juice containers to make explicit to consumers that they should drink no more than 150ml a day.
They also recommend a change to the UK Government's current "five-a-day" guidelines, saying these five fruit and vegetable servings should no longer include a portion of fruit juice. Inclusion of fruit juice as a fruit equivalent is "probably counter-productive" because it "fuels the perception that drinking fruit juice is good for health, and thus need not be subject to the limits that many individuals impose on themselves for consumption of less healthy foods".
Professor Sattar, who is Professor of Metabolic Medicine, said: "Fruit juice has a similar energy density and sugar content to other sugary drinks, for example: 250ml of apple juice typically contains 110 kcal and 26g of sugar; and 250ml of cola typically contains 105kcal and 26.5g of sugar.
"Additionally, by contrast with the evidence for solid fruit intake, for which high consumption is generally associated with reduced or neutral risk of diabetes, current evidence suggests high fruit juice intake is associated with increased risk of diabetes."One glass of fruit juice contains substantially more sugar than one piece of fruit; in addition, much of the goodness in fruit – fibre, for example – is not found in fruit juice, or is there in far smaller amounts, explains Professor Sattar.
Although fruit juices contain vitamins and minerals, whereas sugar-sweetened drinks do not, Dr Gill argues that the micronutrient content of fruit juices "might not be sufficient to offset the adverse metabolic consequences of excessive fruit juice consumption".
In one scientific trial, for example, it was shown that, despite having a high antioxidant content, the consumption of half a litre of grape juice per day for three months actually increased insulin resistance and waist circumference in overweight adults."Thus, contrary to the general perception of the public, and of many healthcare professionals, that drinking fruit juice is a positive health behaviour, their consumption might not be substantially different in health terms than drinking other sugary drinks," said Dr Gill.
The researchers also tested public awareness of the sugar content of fruit juices, smoothies and sugar-sweetened drinks by carrying out an online poll of over 2000 adults. Participants were shown pictures of full containers of different non-alcoholic beverages and were asked to estimate the number of teaspoons of sugar contained in the portion shown. Although the sugar content of all drinks and smoothies was similar, the sugar content of fruit juices and smoothies was underestimated by 48% on average, whereas the sugar content of carbonated drinks was overestimated by 12%.
"Thus, there seems to be a clear misperception that fruit juices and smoothies are low-sugar alternatives to sugar-sweetened beverages," said Dr Gill.
There are strong public health reasons for targeting sugar-sweetened drinks, possibly through the imposition of an increase in taxation as a means of reducing consumption, argues Professor Sattar.
While there have been calls in the USA to eliminate all fruit-juice consumption by children, the researchers stop short of recommending similar moves in the UK. They also feel that a fruit juice tax would not be warranted. However, Professor Sattar argues: "In the broader context of public health policy, it is important that debate about sugar-sweetened beverage reduction should include fruit juice."
The debate around fruit juice comes as medical experts are focusing more closely on the link between high sugar consumption and heart disease risks.
Professor Sattar said: "We have known for years about the dangers of excess saturated fat intake, an observation which led the food industry to replace unhealthy fats with presumed 'healthier' sugars in many food products. Helping individuals cut not only their excessive fat intake, but also refined sugar intake, could have major health benefits including lessening obesity and heart attacks. Ultimately, there needs to be a refocus to develop foods which not only limit saturated fat intake but simultaneously limit refined sugar content."

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

So what you are telling me is that if I intake more calories then I output then I get fat right? Thanks for the science there guys. JFC

You might be BigDick but I am Dick Bull.

[Brock]

Fatasses who sit on their fat asses all day are fat because of sugar and fruit juice. /kooks

[Buck]

Did they test purple drink?

[Miles]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I've probably had every variety of Tazo, Itoen and Honest out there. At least every one offered at Whole Foods, that Organic Store off 470/291 and 70, or that occasionally makes it to Big Lots. Don't have a strong memory of Tazo's mint. I do like Honest Tea's First Nation Mint, though.

If I had to pick a favorite, it'd probably Itoen's toasted green tea, called Oi Ocha. It's so definitely tea, but the toasting of the tea leaves makes it different from any other tea you might get.

There is some form of bottled Itoen at Costo. I buy their green tea bags there (branded as Kirkland) and make it hot or iced at work all the time.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by Dick Bull

You might be BigDick but I am Dick Bull.

[Jimmya]

Fat people love them some sugar!

[ReynardMuldrake]

Originally Posted by Silock

Key word: EXCESS calorie consumption.

This demonization of food and certain food groups is abso****inglutely OUT OF CONTROL.

I'll post this again, simply because it needs to be read. Even though it's mainly focused on HFCS, there's a lot of good info about other sugars and carbohydrates, as well.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/88/6/1716S.full

There is room in a person's diet for anything they want to have, whether that's soda, ice cream, fruit juice, pixie sticks or orange marmalade. It's all about portion control and understanding how these foods fit in to the larger picture of one's diet. I have serious issues with how this article/thread is worded because it assumes that soda is inherently bad for you and if fruit juice is as bad as soda, then it's inherently bad, too. That's just not true.

Overconsumption is bad. That's the devil. It's not the X food/drink.

The idea that all calories are created equal is not true. You don't get type 2 diabetes from eating too much steak.

Different types of calories are metabolized differently. Sugar intake impacts your blood sugar, given enough time can cause insulin resistance, which is the fast track to obesity. Limiting the proportion of your sugar and carb intake absolutely has an effect on your health, even with calories being equal.

[WhiteWhale]

BAN FRUIT JUICE!

Frankly the headline is dangerously misleading. Fruit juice is not an acid that eats away at your bones and imbalances the Ph of your entire body. Just because it has a lot of sugar does NOT mean it's 'just as bad for you' as flavored battery acid.

The 'study' gives no outlines of any controls done... was this thing funded by Pepsi?

[Eleazar]

Obviously, nobody should drink copious amounts of sugar, but the thread title is really an obscene generalization. Soda has no redeeming qualities, while fruit juice has many beneficial ingredients.

[Just Passin' By]

If you look hard enough, at some point you'll find that everything is bad for you. Drinking too much water can be fatal, for crying out loud.

[Jimmya]

True...to much of anything is bad for you.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

The idea that all calories are created equal is not true. You don't get type 2 diabetes from eating too much steak.

Different types of calories are metabolized differently. Sugar intake impacts your blood sugar, given enough time can cause insulin resistance, which is the fast track to obesity. Limiting the proportion of your sugar and carb intake absolutely has an effect on your health, even with calories being equal.

There's really no such thing as different types of calories. A calorie is a unit of energy. 4.2 kjoules. Specifically, the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one kilogram of water by one degree Celsius. That never changes.

You can get calories from different things, like carbs, proteins, fat, etc. And each of those have different levels of Calories per gram, and the body uses each differently.

But there aren't different types of calories. The "Calories in, Calories out" is a really simplified expression that is far from accurate because of how the body gets Calories from different things. But it's not an unreasonable guide to follow if your diet is balanced. If you want real accuracy and understanding you'd have to look well beyond simple Calorie in, Calorie out. But it's still a decent starting point to keep a rough idea of your intake.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

The idea that all calories are created equal is not true. You don't get type 2 diabetes from eating too much steak.

Different types of calories are metabolized differently. Sugar intake impacts your blood sugar, given enough time can cause insulin resistance, which is the fast track to obesity. Limiting the proportion of your sugar and carb intake absolutely has an effect on your health, even with calories being equal.

No one said all macronutrients are the same. I don't think you read and understand the point I was making.

Some of you clearly don't read the part about excess calories. I even capitalized the keyword.

Also, while the insulin response of steak isn't as high as sugary foods, it does create quite a response. It's big enough that you could become insulin resistant if it were possible to eat enough steak to do so. Insulin is a storage hormone for many nutrients, not just carbohydrates.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Fish

There's really no such thing as different types of calories. A calorie is a unit of energy. 4.2 kjoules. Specifically, the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one kilogram of water by one degree Celsius. That never changes.

You can get calories from different things, like carbs, proteins, fat, etc. And each of those have different levels of Calories per gram, and the body uses each differently.

But there aren't different types of calories. The "Calories in, Calories out" is a really simplified expression that is far from accurate because of how the body gets Calories from different things. But it's not an unreasonable guide to follow if your diet is balanced. If you want real accuracy and understanding you'd have to look well beyond simple Calorie in, Calorie out. But it's still a decent starting point to keep a rough idea of your intake.

The thing that people miss in the calories in and out debate is that as long as you aren't over your calorie expenditure in terms of what you take in, a normal person can eat anything they want and not worry about weight or insulin resistance or any of that stuff.

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by Miles

There is some form of bottled Itoen at Costo. I buy their green tea bags there (branded as Kirkland) and make it hot or iced at work all the time.

I've never tried the Kirkland because we don't have a Costco near me unfortunately. Instead I usually order Yamamotoyama green tea off of Amazon, tastes great and you can get 90 tea bags for $17. Definitely beats Bigelow or the other store brands I can get around here.