At this point I think we should trade the 2 for Surtain

Red Dawg · 03-09-2005, 07:36 AM

The pick'ins are getting slim. If we must spend big bucks I'd rather it be Surtain than Law. I would love to have Law but his foot may never get better or it could be fine. WE know that Sutain is 100%.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 07:38 AM

Premature.

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Gaz
Holding off until Hartwell or Dyson is signed.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 07:42 AM

I will say, however, that when Hartwell signs, I offer up the 2nd for Surtain.

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Gaz
Coiled in the grass, ready to strike.

tiptap · 03-09-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Premature.

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Gaz
Holding off until Hartwell or Dyson is signed.

I see the scenario going to Draft Day. The process depends upon how much cap room Miami has to sign the people they draft. Now technically they can wait till June to trim their squad so they are under the cap. They could see who makes the team. But 1st round choices have contracts that always have SB that if the player doesn't make the team will bite a team and still represents a hit averaged over 6 or 7 years especially with the 2nd pick of the draft. They are still shopping for help on the offensive line so I suspect that they would really like to move Surtain's cap numbers off their ledgers.
But that does leave other teams (being Seattle now) that may have interest. I feel that Surtain is worth a 2nd round draft pick if we can have him for several years and if we can also stay under the cap. It may take revisiting some of our offensive players contracts but not having to pay a 2nd round salary draft person will help some as well.

ROYC75 · 03-09-2005, 08:05 AM

Pull the plug Carl........get the contract inked out and Surtain here since you fugged up on Rolle.

Would have been happier with Rolle and our # 2 .

cookster50 · 03-09-2005, 08:09 AM

Gaz, you really think we are getting Hartwell? I have a feeling we are out of the running for Hartwell.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by damark

Gaz, you really think we are getting Hartwell? I have a feeling we are out of the running for Hartwell.

I dunno.

But I think Hartwell and [a healthy] Bell would be major upgrades. At that point, I would be willing to give up the 2nd for Surtain.

Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Dyson

Next Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Surtain

Next Next Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Law

xoxo~
Gaz
Hopefull until Hartwell signs with somebody.

**Lzen** · 03-09-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

I dunno.

But I think Hartwell and [a healthy] Bell would be major upgrades. At that point, I would be willing to give up the 2nd for Surtain.

Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Dyson

Next Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Surtain

Next Next Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Law

xoxo~
Gaz
Hopefull until Hartwell signs with somebody.

We definitely need at least 1 top tier FA CB. If we were to get Hartwell, do we give Barber an injury settlement and he's off the books? How would that work?

If we only get 1 FA CB, we'll definitely need to pick up one in the 1st round of the draft.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 09:06 AM

SideWinder-

I am with you, man. I stated a while back that my preferred scenario is Hartwell & Dyson.

Add [a healthy] Bell to the mix and I am a happy camper.

xoxo~
Gaz
Refusing to give up on Hartwell until the fat lady signs.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

We definitely need at least 1 top tier FA CB. If we were to get Hartwell, do we give Barber an injury settlement and he's off the books? How would that work?

If we only get 1 FA CB, we'll definitely need to pick up one in the 1st round of the draft.

We do not need a top-tier FA CB. Dyson would be just fine.

As usual, I direct your attention to the howling Denver blunder that was Champ Bailey [heh].

And even if we do get Dyson or Surtain or [ugh] Law, we still need to draft CB in one of the first two Rounds.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees no cheap way out of this hole.

eazyb81 · 03-09-2005, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

We do not need a top-tier FA CB. Dyson would be just fine.

As usual, I direct your attention to the howling Denver blunder that was Champ Bailey [heh].

And even if we do get Dyson or Surtain or [ugh] Law, we still need to draft CB in one of the first two Rounds.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees no cheap way out of this hole.

The Denver scenario that didn't work out perfectly is just one scenario. What about Baltimore's defense with McCallister, Miami's defense with Surtain, Washington's defense with Smoot? Sure, they have great players at other positions, but they also have the great CBs that are needed in this age.

**BigRedChief** · 03-09-2005, 08:14 AM

My Thoughts:
Sign Hartwell. Give the #2 for Surtain. Draft Rolle with the #15. Pick up a FA wide reciever to replace Morton.

htismaqe · 03-09-2005, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

My Thoughts:
Sign Hartwell. Give the #2 for Surtain. Draft Rolle with the #15. Pick up a FA wide reciever to replace Morton.

That would be freaking awesome.

milkman · 03-09-2005, 08:38 AM

Gaz, I just don't see why trading for Surtain becomes a better option if we were to sign Hartwell.

At first, I liked the idea of trading the #2 pick for Surtain, but as I've given it more thought, I have come to the conclusion that it's not a good idea.

His price tag will/would be a lot higher than Dyson, which I believe would make him unaffordable after signing Hartwell.

And since I believe/know that the shutdown corner is a long dead artifact of NFL lore, I don't believe that spending the kind of jack on Surtain that he would ask for is practical.

We need to upgrade, because there is a difference between Battle/Bartee and real NFL CBs, but we just don't need to spend that kind of money on the position.

Sign Dyson, sign Hartwell, draft DE, draft a corner, and move Battle/Bartee to safety.

I'd even take Herndon, at the right price.

tomahawk kid · 03-09-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Gaz, I just don't see why trading for Surtain becomes a better option if we were to sign Hartwell.

At first, I liked the idea of trading the #2 pick for Surtain, but as I've given it more thought, I have come to the conclusion that it's not a good idea.

His price tag will/would be a lot higher than Dyson, which I believe would make him unaffordable after signing Hartwell.

And since I believe/know that the shutdown corner is a long dead artifact of NFL lore, I don't believe that spending the kind of jack on Surtain that he would ask for is practical.

We need to upgrade, because there is a difference between Battle/Bartee and real NFL CBs, but we just don't need to spend that kind of money on the position.

Sign Dyson, sign Hartwell, draft DE, draft a corner, and move Battle/Bartee to safety.

I'd even take Herndon, at the right price.

I was under the impression that Dyson would not be that much of an upgrade.

Someone mentioned he got pushed around alot in the Titans Defense and Gun was not high on him.

03-09-2005, 07:36 AM	Topic Starter
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4622858	At this point I think we should trade the 2 for Surtain The pick'ins are getting slim. If we must spend big bucks I'd rather it be Surtain than Law. I would love to have Law but his foot may never get better or it could be fine. WE know that Sutain is 100%.
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03-09-2005, 07:38 AM	#2
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Not yet... Premature. xoxo~ Gaz Holding off until Hartwell or Dyson is signed.
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03-09-2005, 07:42 AM	#3
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Premature, but not precluded... I will say, however, that when Hartwell signs, I offer up the 2nd for Surtain. xoxo~ Gaz Coiled in the grass, ready to strike.
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03-09-2005, 08:05 AM	#5
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5509400	Pull the plug Carl........get the contract inked out and Surtain here since you fugged up on Rolle. Would have been happier with Rolle and our # 2 . __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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cookster50 Supreme Commander of My House Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $3063622	Gaz, you really think we are getting Hartwell? I have a feeling we are out of the running for Hartwell.
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03-09-2005, 09:06 AM	#9
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Assume fallback position... SideWinder- I am with you, man. I stated a while back that my preferred scenario is Hartwell & Dyson. Add [a healthy] Bell to the mix and I am a happy camper. xoxo~ Gaz Refusing to give up on Hartwell until the fat lady signs.
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03-09-2005, 08:14 AM	#12
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2949627 VARSITY	My Thoughts: Sign Hartwell. Give the #2 for Surtain. Draft Rolle with the #15. Pick up a FA wide reciever to replace Morton. __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Gaz, I just don't see why trading for Surtain becomes a better option if we were to sign Hartwell. At first, I liked the idea of trading the #2 pick for Surtain, but as I've given it more thought, I have come to the conclusion that it's not a good idea. His price tag will/would be a lot higher than Dyson, which I believe would make him unaffordable after signing Hartwell. And since I believe/know that the shutdown corner is a long dead artifact of NFL lore, I don't believe that spending the kind of jack on Surtain that he would ask for is practical. We need to upgrade, because there is a difference between Battle/Bartee and real NFL CBs, but we just don't need to spend that kind of money on the position. Sign Dyson, sign Hartwell, draft DE, draft a corner, and move Battle/Bartee to safety. I'd even take Herndon, at the right price. __________________
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