VOTE-VOTE-VOTE-VOTE!!!!!!!

[CASHMAN]

Everyone get out there and do there AMERICAN DUTY & VOTE!!!!!







CASHMAN.

[chief52]

I am off to vote. Polls open in 8 minutes here. You could not keep me from the polls.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

For myself, I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way. On Election Day, I stay home. two reasons:first of all, voting is meaningless;this country was bought and paid for a long time ago.That empty shit they shuffle around and repackage every four years doesn't mean a thing. Second, I don't vote, because I firmly beleive that if you vote, you have no right to complain. I know some people like to twist that around and say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain.'But where's the logic in that? Think it through: if you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they screw things up, then you are responsible for what they've done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote-who, in fact, did not even leave the house on election Day-am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created. Which I had nothing to do with. Why can't people see that?

I had no idea you were so cynical.

[Mark M]

IMHO, it's pathetic that so few people vote in this country. I think it has to do with several factors:

1.) They take it for granted, even though thousands -- if not millions -- have died over the centuries to ensure their right to elect their leaders.

2.) The politics of personal destruction have soured everyone on the process. Instead of actually discussing issues, all we get are distorted facts and flat-out lies.

3.) The people from whom we can choose all suck. Those that really could make a difference don't want to bother due to point number 2.

4.) They feel as though, no matter whom they elect, it won't matter -- we'll still get nothing but douche bags.

With all that said, I'll be voting right after work (will probably leave a bit early). Once I'm done with that, I'm playing some Madden -- I have no desire to watch all of the crap.

MM
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P.S. Memo to ENDelt: That may be your opinion, but it's wrong ... ya frickin idiot.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by Mark M

IMHO, it's pathetic that so few people vote in this country. I think it has to do with several factors:

1.) They take it for granted, even though thousands -- if not millions -- have died over the centuries to ensure their right to elect their leaders.

2.) The politics of personal destruction have soured everyone on the process. Instead of actually discussing issues, all we get are distorted facts and flat-out lies.

3.) The people from whom we can choose all suck. Those that really could make a difference don't want to bother due to point number 2.

4.) They feel as though, no matter whom they elect, it won't matter -- we'll still get nothing but douche bags.

With all that said, I'll be voting right after work (will probably leave a bit early). Once I'm done with that, I'm playing some Madden -- I have no desire to watch all of the crap.

MM
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P.S. Memo to ENDelt: That may be your opinion, but it's wrong ... ya frickin idiot.

Please rename reason #3 as Taco John reason.

[gblowfish]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

For myself, I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way. On Election Day, I stay home. two reasons:first of all, voting is meaningless;this country was bought and paid for a long time ago.That empty shit they shuffle around and repackage every four years doesn't mean a thing. Second, I don't vote, because I firmly beleive that if you vote, you have no right to complain. I know some people like to twist that around and say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain.'But where's the logic in that? Think it through: if you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they screw things up, then you are responsible for what they've done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote-who, in fact, did not even leave the house on election Day-am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created. Which I had nothing to do with. Why can't people see that?

I respect your feeling. I know lots of people feel that way, and yes the system has major problems on both sides with candidates financially beholden to people who paid to put them in office. But I voted today, and vote in every election. I owe that to my dad, who fought in Korea to give me the right to vote, and to my uncle, who fought in WWII to give me the right to vote, and to my neighbor in the Missouri Guard Reserve who's in Iraq right now, protecting my right to vote.

Educate yourself to the candidates, take some time to study the issues, honor the sacrafice of those who gave the full measure to keep our country free, take time to vote, and God Bless America!

[MichaelH]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

For myself, I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way. On Election Day, I stay home. two reasons:first of all, voting is meaningless;this country was bought and paid for a long time ago.That empty shit they shuffle around and repackage every four years doesn't mean a thing. Second, I don't vote, because I firmly beleive that if you vote, you have no right to complain. I know some people like to twist that around and say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain.'But where's the logic in that? Think it through: if you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they screw things up, then you are responsible for what they've done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote-who, in fact, did not even leave the house on election Day-am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created. Which I had nothing to do with. Why can't people see that?

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way.

To me, it doesn't matter if a Republican or a Democrat gets in office. The National debt WILL NOT go down, the economy won't take an immediate and drastic turn-around. Until a politician has to pay their own bills, drive their kids to daycare before they step foot into their cushy job, do their own grocery shopping , pay for gas and pay into Social Security just like every other American, will I vote.

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

For myself, I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way. On Election Day, I stay home. two reasons:first of all, voting is meaningless;this country was bought and paid for a long time ago.That empty shit they shuffle around and repackage every four years doesn't mean a thing. Second, I don't vote, because I firmly beleive that if you vote, you have no right to complain. I know some people like to twist that around and say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain.'But where's the logic in that? Think it through: if you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they screw things up, then you are responsible for what they've done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote-who, in fact, did not even leave the house on election Day-am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created. Which I had nothing to do with. Why can't people see that?

You stole that from George Carlin, but I pretty much agree. I'm having second thoughts today. I didn't vote in the 2000 election, and i'm still wondering if I should vote today. I probably will but just for our local elections. The Presidential vote to me right now does not matter, as Kansas goes to Bush.

I have yet to hear someone produce a good argument on why I should vote. My vote for POTUS does not count.

[Mark M]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I have yet to hear someone produce a good argument on why I should vote. My vote for POTUS does not count.

Considering some votes come down to only a few hundred on one side or the other, it does count.

There's also strength in numbers.

For example: If 20 million people think as you do, then you're right -- it doesn't count.

But if those same 20 million decide to get off of their lazy freaking asses and vote, then it DOES count.

Granted, choosing between Kerry and Bush is like choosing who you want to do your root canal: Stevie Wonder, or someone with Parkinson's disease -- either way it'll suck ass.

MM
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[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by Mark M

Considering some votes come down to only a few hundred on one side or the other, it does count.

There's also strength in numbers.

For example: If 20 million people think as you do, then you're right -- it doesn't count.

But if those same 20 million decide to get off of their lazy freaking asses and vote, then it DOES count.

Granted, choosing between Kerry and Bush is like choosing who you want to do your root canal: Stevie Wonder, or someone with Parkinson's disease -- either way it'll suck ass.

MM
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The problem is Kansas only houses 2 million people, not 20 million. The other problem is the majority of them are conservative republicans. I seriously doubt that if all of the people eligible to vote voted, Kerry would win. I'll still most likely vote today after work, but I have no idea why. (except for local elections)

[Mark M]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

The problem is Kansas only houses 2 million people, not 20 million. The other problem is the majority of them are conservative republicans. I seriously doubt that if all of the people eligible to vote voted, Kerry would win. I'll still most likely vote today after work, but I have no idea why. (except for local elections)

My fault ... my example was not just KS, but the entire nation.

Here's a hypothetical: What if the candidate you don't want wins by only one vote? What if your vote could've made the difference? What then?

MM
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[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

You stole that from George Carlin, but I pretty much agree. I'm having second thoughts today. I didn't vote in the 2000 election, and i'm still wondering if I should vote today. I probably will but just for our local elections. The Presidential vote to me right now does not matter, as Kansas goes to Bush.

I have yet to hear someone produce a good argument on why I should vote. My vote for POTUS does not count.

With that attitude you're part of the problem. Who cares if you're the only vote your candidate gets in Kansas...at least you kept it from being a clean sweep.

FWIW my mother, father, two brothers, sister and brother-in-law, as well as a few good friends in Kansas are voting for Kerry.... so you won't be totally alone. Don't let them down.

[RedNFeisty]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

You stole that from George Carlin, but I pretty much agree. I'm having second thoughts today. I didn't vote in the 2000 election, and i'm still wondering if I should vote today. I probably will but just for our local elections. The Presidential vote to me right now does not matter, as Kansas goes to Bush.

I have yet to hear someone produce a good argument on why I should vote. My vote for POTUS does not count.

I spent over an hour waiting to vote. I did not realize voting could actually be fun. As for Kansas being a republican state, before today I would have agreed. While spending my time waiting to vote, I struck up a conversation with the old man sitting next me, within 5 minutes the whole place was talking and we were discussing who we were voting for. I also thought at one point talking about who you are going to vote for was taboo, not one person in my voting center had a problem saying they were going to vote for Kerry. A few people said they would like to vote for Nader but they knew that vote would more or less help Bush.

This was my first time voting, I use to have the mindset that voting was no big deal and that the government was bought anyway. I do not feel that way any longer. This election has opened my eyes to so much. Not that people will ever agree, that would be way to easy but, the uproar that has been caused by this election, and the fact that it has brought out so many people that would normally not vote, is telling me that perhaps we do make a difference.