Redskins MLB Antonio Pierce...

Coogs · 02-23-2005, 03:16 PM

...Is he any good? I didn't see the Redskins much this last year, but their defense was one of the tops in the NFL.

(2/23/05) MLB Antonio Pierce is now expected to head to free agency on March 2nd as an unrestricted free agent. Pierce started last season at MLB after Mike Barrow was unable to perform due to knee tendonitis. Pierce led the Redskins with 112 tackles and 1 sack, putting together a pro bowl type season. Pierce and the Redskins were expected to reach a long term extension before the March 2nd deadline, but that doe snot appear to be a reality any longer.

MGRS13 · 02-23-2005, 03:36 PM

Would love to see this guy in a chiefs uni next year!

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-23-2005, 03:37 PM

Washington had the #2 ranked Run D

htismaqe · 02-23-2005, 04:26 PM

If this is the case, I don't think there's a chance in hell that we can sign Pierce.

Pierce was their #1 offseason priority. If they haven't done a deal yet, it means he wants OUTRAGEOUS money.

BigChiefFan · 02-23-2005, 04:41 PM

He's a great player. I'd have no problem if we landed him.

htismaqe · 02-23-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

He's a great player. I'd have no problem if we landed him.

I'd love to have him.

But if Daniel Snyder isn't able to get a deal with him, there's no way King Carl could.

BigChiefFan · 02-23-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'd love to have him.

But if Daniel Snyder isn't able to get a deal with him, there's no way King Carl could.

It could easily be attainable. Carl, just needs to know it's probably going to be at least a 5 year 18 million dollar deal, with at least $5 million in UPFRONT money. The Chiefs need to start using SIGNING BONUS money to their advantage. I honestly believe most players would take less overall money for more upfront money, but the FO needs to get with the times. If small market teams like the Colts can do it, we can to.

Also, another alternative might be MLBer Davis from the Browns depending on his tender. And as you well know, Hartwell and Bell. There's alternatives out there. I'm not taking no for an answer this offseason.

htismaqe · 02-23-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

It could easily be attainable. Carl, just needs to know it's probably going to be at least a 5 year 18 million dollar deal, with at least $5 million in UPFRONT money. The Chiefs need to start using SIGNING BONUS money to their advantage. I honestly believe most players would take less overall money for more upfront money, but the FO needs to get with the times. If small market teams like the Colts can do it, we can to.

Also, another alternative might be MLBer Davis from the Browns depending on his tender. And as you well know, Hartwell and Bell. There's alternatives out there. I'm not taking no for an answer this offseason.

Do you really understand what you're saying? Up-front money (bonuses) comes out of the team's pocket immediately. Daniel Snyder does it by using luxury box revenue.

Irsay did it in Indy by BORROWING MONEY AGAINST NON-FOOTBALL ASSETS. If you really think Lamar Hunt is going to do that, you need to get some medication. You're delusional.

BigChiefFan · 02-23-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Do you really understand what you're saying? Up-front money (bonuses) comes out of the team's pocket immediately. Daniel Snyder does it by using luxury box revenue.

Irsay did it in Indy by BORROWING MONEY AGAINST NON-FOOTBALL ASSETS. If you really think Lamar Hunt is going to do that, you need to get some medication. You're delusional.

No, I think he NEEDS to do it. The Raiders went to a Super Bowl then went into cap hell. Now look. Same with the Cowboys, they made the playoffs recently. Steelers, and so on and so on.

I'm not delusional. I'm rational. I'm in touch with the way football works in today's day and age and I KNOW that other teams, small market teams included, make MOVES, that include landing quality players. I KNOW the Chiefs is the only organization that goes to great lengths to tell us why we can't or shouldn't do things. They are real quick to point out the negatives of FA, ect...

Frankly, I think it takes money to make money. I know Lamar spends money, but I'm not arguing that point, I'm arguing the amount of money our team spends compared to other teams. Even without Lamar's preferred skyboxes he still POCKETED, over $30 million last year. There's plenty of money, it's just a matter of willingness to make that investment into the future of his team with young, quality players in FA right now.

The players are out there, he has that profitted money that he could spend as an INVESTMENT into his own team, but we will see if the committment is there or not. I'm willing to give it SOME time, but I believe in action speaking louder than words.

jspchief · 02-23-2005, 05:55 PM

What exactly has Pierce done?

He's had one good year on a team where he was surrounded by loads of talent. I don't see any reason to believe he's worthy of big money.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-23-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

What exactly has Pierce done?

He's had one good year on a team where he was surrounded by loads of talent. I don't see any reason to believe he's worthy of big money.

Better than anything we have. That is unless he's often lost and out of position (Mitchell) or misses tackles (the whole D).

Also, remember Arrington only played in 4 games last year yet they still were #2 against the run.

shaneo69 · 02-23-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

What exactly has Pierce done?

He's had one good year on a team where he was surrounded by loads of talent. I don't see any reason to believe he's worthy of big money.

I'd take Pierce over Hartwell. He played in a 4-3 defense last year and didn't have Ray Lewis helping him out. I don't think Pierce will command as much as Hartwell.

The reason Snyder can't get Pierce or Smoot signed is because they're over the cap right now. Gibbs has said that he's frustrated because their free agents don't want to sign before testing free agency, and the guys that need to be restructured like Samuels aren't helping them out.

jspchief · 02-23-2005, 07:50 PM

I agree he's likely better than what we have. My point is simply that so far he's a one year wonder on a team that has enough talent to hide some of his weakness.

If the reason the deal hasn't been done is because he has a high price tag, I have no interest in him.

htismaqe · 02-23-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

No, I think he NEEDS to do it. The Raiders went to a Super Bowl then went into cap hell. Now look. Same with the Cowboys, they made the playoffs recently. Steelers, and so on and so on.

I'm not delusional. I'm rational. I'm in touch with the way football works in today's day and age and I KNOW that other teams, small market teams included, make MOVES, that include landing quality players. I KNOW the Chiefs is the only organization that goes to great lengths to tell us why we can't or shouldn't do things. They are real quick to point out the negatives of FA, ect...

Frankly, I think it takes money to make money. I know Lamar spends money, but I'm not arguing that point, I'm arguing the amount of money our team spends compared to other teams. Even without Lamar's preferred skyboxes he still POCKETED, over $30 million last year. There's plenty of money, it's just a matter of willingness to make that investment into the future of his team with young, quality players in FA right now.

The players are out there, he has that profitted money that he could spend as an INVESTMENT into his own team, but we will see if the committment is there or not. I'm willing to give it SOME time, but I believe in action speaking louder than words.

You COMPLETELY missed the point.

I'm not saying the Chiefs CANNOT spend money. I'm saying the Chiefs WILL NOT spend money.

I agree with you - they need to do it. But if you think they WILL, you are indeed delusional.

ragedogg69 · 02-23-2005, 11:27 PM

I watched Pierce all thru college. He just eats people up and would be the sure tackle guy the chiefs desperately need. His pass coverage could use a bit of work. But he as potential to be a great LB.

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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I agree he's likely better than what we have. My point is simply that so far he's a one year wonder on a team that has enough talent to hide some of his weakness. If the reason the deal hasn't been done is because he has a high price tag, I have no interest in him. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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