At this point I think we should trade the 2 for Surtain

Red Dawg · 03-09-2005, 07:36 AM

The pick'ins are getting slim. If we must spend big bucks I'd rather it be Surtain than Law. I would love to have Law but his foot may never get better or it could be fine. WE know that Sutain is 100%.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 07:38 AM

Premature.

xoxo~
Gaz
Holding off until Hartwell or Dyson is signed.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 07:42 AM

I will say, however, that when Hartwell signs, I offer up the 2nd for Surtain.

xoxo~
Gaz
Coiled in the grass, ready to strike.

ROYC75 · 03-09-2005, 08:05 AM

Pull the plug Carl........get the contract inked out and Surtain here since you fugged up on Rolle.

Would have been happier with Rolle and our # 2 .

cookster50 · 03-09-2005, 08:09 AM

Gaz, you really think we are getting Hartwell? I have a feeling we are out of the running for Hartwell.

**BigRedChief** · 03-09-2005, 08:14 AM

My Thoughts:
Sign Hartwell. Give the #2 for Surtain. Draft Rolle with the #15. Pick up a FA wide reciever to replace Morton.

tiptap · 03-09-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Premature.

xoxo~
Gaz
Holding off until Hartwell or Dyson is signed.

I see the scenario going to Draft Day. The process depends upon how much cap room Miami has to sign the people they draft. Now technically they can wait till June to trim their squad so they are under the cap. They could see who makes the team. But 1st round choices have contracts that always have SB that if the player doesn't make the team will bite a team and still represents a hit averaged over 6 or 7 years especially with the 2nd pick of the draft. They are still shopping for help on the offensive line so I suspect that they would really like to move Surtain's cap numbers off their ledgers.
But that does leave other teams (being Seattle now) that may have interest. I feel that Surtain is worth a 2nd round draft pick if we can have him for several years and if we can also stay under the cap. It may take revisiting some of our offensive players contracts but not having to pay a 2nd round salary draft person will help some as well.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by damark

Gaz, you really think we are getting Hartwell? I have a feeling we are out of the running for Hartwell.

I dunno.

But I think Hartwell and [a healthy] Bell would be major upgrades. At that point, I would be willing to give up the 2nd for Surtain.

Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Dyson

Next Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Surtain

Next Next Best Case:
Hartwell, Bell, Law

xoxo~
Gaz
Hopefull until Hartwell signs with somebody.

milkman · 03-09-2005, 08:38 AM

Gaz, I just don't see why trading for Surtain becomes a better option if we were to sign Hartwell.

At first, I liked the idea of trading the #2 pick for Surtain, but as I've given it more thought, I have come to the conclusion that it's not a good idea.

His price tag will/would be a lot higher than Dyson, which I believe would make him unaffordable after signing Hartwell.

And since I believe/know that the shutdown corner is a long dead artifact of NFL lore, I don't believe that spending the kind of jack on Surtain that he would ask for is practical.

We need to upgrade, because there is a difference between Battle/Bartee and real NFL CBs, but we just don't need to spend that kind of money on the position.

Sign Dyson, sign Hartwell, draft DE, draft a corner, and move Battle/Bartee to safety.

I'd even take Herndon, at the right price.

tomahawk kid · 03-09-2005, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder

Gaz, I just don't see why trading for Surtain becomes a better option if we were to sign Hartwell.

At first, I liked the idea of trading the #2 pick for Surtain, but as I've given it more thought, I have come to the conclusion that it's not a good idea.

His price tag will/would be a lot higher than Dyson, which I believe would make him unaffordable after signing Hartwell.

And since I believe/know that the shutdown corner is a long dead artifact of NFL lore, I don't believe that spending the kind of jack on Surtain that he would ask for is practical.

We need to upgrade, because there is a difference between Battle/Bartee and real NFL CBs, but we just don't need to spend that kind of money on the position.

Sign Dyson, sign Hartwell, draft DE, draft a corner, and move Battle/Bartee to safety.

I'd even take Herndon, at the right price.

I was under the impression that Dyson would not be that much of an upgrade.

Someone mentioned he got pushed around alot in the Titans Defense and Gun was not high on him.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 08:45 AM

SideWinder-

Surtain is my second option behind Dyson.

If we get Hartwell, we are no longer desperate for an OLB [Bell would take that role]. Therefore, I am willing to exchange that 2nd Round pick for Surtain. With the LB corps taken care of, I would not fight Surtain.

In any case, I am supremely disinterested in Law.

Herndon would have to come really cheap to stir my interest. But my interest is stirable.

xoxo~
Gaz
Conjuring the possibilities.

Gaz · 03-09-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

I was under the impression that Dyson would not be that much of an upgrade.

Someone mentioned he got pushed around alot in the Titans Defense and Gun was not high on him.

Dyson Vs Battle/Bartee.

I smell upgrade.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not sure who would not be a upgrade.

milkman · 03-09-2005, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

I was under the impression that Dyson would not be that much of an upgrade.

Someone mentioned he got pushed around alot in the Titans Defense and Gun was not high on him.

I would be an upgrade at the position, that's how bad Bartee/Battle/McPasOn are.

And while I think Gun is OK as a DC, I really question his talent eval abilities.
I mean, he is the guy that was HC at the time Bartee was drafted, and he (Bartee) fits his (Gun's) physical profile of CB.

KCTitus · 03-09-2005, 08:47 AM

Gaz: The Hartwell ship has sailed...there's no way that's happening with the Bell signing.

htismaqe · 03-09-2005, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

My Thoughts:
Sign Hartwell. Give the #2 for Surtain. Draft Rolle with the #15. Pick up a FA wide reciever to replace Morton.

That would be freaking awesome.

03-09-2005, 07:36 AM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4732858	At this point I think we should trade the 2 for Surtain The pick'ins are getting slim. If we must spend big bucks I'd rather it be Surtain than Law. I would love to have Law but his foot may never get better or it could be fine. WE know that Sutain is 100%.
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03-09-2005, 07:38 AM	#2
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Not yet... Premature. xoxo~ Gaz Holding off until Hartwell or Dyson is signed.
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03-09-2005, 07:42 AM	#3
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Premature, but not precluded... I will say, however, that when Hartwell signs, I offer up the 2nd for Surtain. xoxo~ Gaz Coiled in the grass, ready to strike.
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03-09-2005, 08:05 AM	#4
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5639400	Pull the plug Carl........get the contract inked out and Surtain here since you fugged up on Rolle. Would have been happier with Rolle and our # 2 . __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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03-09-2005, 08:14 AM	#6
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03-09-2005, 08:38 AM	#9
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Gaz, I just don't see why trading for Surtain becomes a better option if we were to sign Hartwell. At first, I liked the idea of trading the #2 pick for Surtain, but as I've given it more thought, I have come to the conclusion that it's not a good idea. His price tag will/would be a lot higher than Dyson, which I believe would make him unaffordable after signing Hartwell. And since I believe/know that the shutdown corner is a long dead artifact of NFL lore, I don't believe that spending the kind of jack on Surtain that he would ask for is practical. We need to upgrade, because there is a difference between Battle/Bartee and real NFL CBs, but we just don't need to spend that kind of money on the position. Sign Dyson, sign Hartwell, draft DE, draft a corner, and move Battle/Bartee to safety. I'd even take Herndon, at the right price. __________________
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03-09-2005, 08:45 AM	#11
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	I am trying to go with the flow here... SideWinder- Surtain is my second option behind Dyson. If we get Hartwell, we are no longer desperate for an OLB [Bell would take that role]. Therefore, I am willing to exchange that 2nd Round pick for Surtain. With the LB corps taken care of, I would not fight Surtain. In any case, I am supremely disinterested in Law. Herndon would have to come really cheap to stir my interest. But my interest is stirable. xoxo~ Gaz Conjuring the possibilities.
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