Why do we have trouble drafting WRs ?

chief2000 · 08-04-2006, 11:27 AM

Any ideas ?

Carls weakness is offensive personel ? He could never find a young qb also.

oaklandhater · 08-04-2006, 11:30 AM

Becuase we think that wide recivers dont need to be drafted In the 1st

JBucc · 08-04-2006, 11:30 AM

Because we draft the ones that suck

oaklandhater · 08-04-2006, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBucc

Because we draft the ones that suck

Becuase We refuse to draft a wideout in the 1st or 2nd round's

Sully · 08-04-2006, 11:33 AM

Last time we drafted a round one WR, we drafted some unknown because Gunther liked how he was built, rather than his actual production. Gunther was in the "Big recievers dominate" mode, so drafting a tall Morris made sense to him. Otherwise, we just take flyers, typically far enough down the draft so that no one notices we really have no idea how to scout them.

I think, though, WRs have to be one of the most hit and miss prospects in any draft. They rarely produce in year one, and many times, the ones to really excell are drafted in later rounds, and suprise folks.

Wile_E_Coyote · 08-04-2006, 11:35 AM

when was the last time they picked up a great WR in FA?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-04-2006, 11:42 AM

It's not just the Chiefs, it's every team in the NFL. Wide receiver is one of the most difficult positions to project in the NFL. For most teams, it takes a minimum of three years to develop a first or second round receiver (if ever), let alone a third, fourth or fifth.

Take a look at the draft history of most NFL teams and they're littered but WR busts.

Cormac · 08-04-2006, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

Last time we drafted a round one WR, we drafted some unknown because Gunther liked how he was built, rather than his actual production. Gunther was in the "Big recievers dominate" mode, so drafting a tall Morris made sense to him.

Morris was on his way to being a good WR, IMO. His route running as a rookie was horrible and he was still the leading rookie WR. He was a good pick, IMO, it just didn't work out with injuries.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

I think, though, WRs have to be one of the most hit and miss prospects in any draft. They rarely produce in year one, and many times, the ones to really excell are drafted in later rounds, and suprise folks.

Exactly. Drafting WRs is tough. For every Randy Moss, there is a ton of flops like Rashaun Woods or Marcus Nash

, or injured players like Morris, Yatil Green etc.

For years, WR and QB were neglected positions by the Chiefs, compared to O-line and defense. Not much effort was put into getting WRs. Then when big moves were made in FA, some worked (Kennison) and others didn't (Morton).

**RealSNR** · 08-04-2006, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

Last time we drafted a round one WR, we drafted some unknown because Gunther liked how he was built, rather than his actual production. Gunther was in the "Big recievers dominate" mode, so drafting a tall Morris made sense to him. Otherwise, we just take flyers, typically far enough down the draft so that no one notices we really have no idea how to scout them.

I think, though, WRs have to be one of the most hit and miss prospects in any draft. They rarely produce in year one, and many times, the ones to really excell are drafted in later rounds, and suprise folks.

Morris could have been good. We'll never know

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-04-2006, 11:46 AM

J.J. Birden, Andre Rison, Derrick Alexander and Eddie Kennison are all examples of good free agent aquisitions at the WR position. Morton had a couple of decent years and a couple of bad years, but he was obviously at the end of his career (as were all the other signees).

It would help if the Chiefs would maintain a consistent offensive philosophy through the years, which seems to be happening now. But changing offensive coordinators every other year is not conducive to drafting and developing players to fit a certain need or style.

oaklandhater · 08-04-2006, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully

the ones to really excell are drafted in later rounds, and suprise folks.

tell that to

Randy Moss 1st round (21st pick)
Terrell Owens 3rd round (28th pick)
marvin harrison 1st round (19th overall
Chad Johnson Round:2 Pick:5
Steve Smith Round:3 Pick:12
Hines Ward 3rd round, #98 overall
Santana Moss first round (16th overall)
Javon Walker With 1st Round Pick (20 Overall)

all of them 1st day draft picks most of the in the 1st round!

Basileus777 · 08-04-2006, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

tell that to

Randy Moss 1st
Terrell Owens 1st
marvin harrison1st
Chad Johnson 1st
Steve Smith 3rd
Hines Ward 3rd
Torry Holt 1st
Santana Moss 1st

all of them 1st day draft picks most of the in the 1st round!

TO wasn't a first rounder, I believe he was a third.

**penguinz** · 08-04-2006, 11:57 AM

It is pointless to draft a WR with a high pick when Herm is going to change the Offense so that we are running it on every down.

**penguinz** · 08-04-2006, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777

TO wasn't a first rounder, I believe he was a third.

Correct

JBucc · 08-04-2006, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777

TO wasn't a first rounder, I believe he was a third.

Chad Johnson was a second rounder too

08-04-2006, 11:27 AM
chief2000 Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Why do we have trouble drafting WRs ? Any ideas ? Carls weakness is offensive personel ? He could never find a young qb also.
Posts: 628

08-04-2006, 11:30 AM	#2
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $7488993	Becuase we think that wide recivers dont need to be drafted In the 1st
Posts: 23,762

08-04-2006, 11:30 AM	#3
JBucc MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Casino cash: $10004952	Because we draft the ones that suck
Posts: 12,016

08-04-2006, 11:33 AM	#5
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	Last time we drafted a round one WR, we drafted some unknown because Gunther liked how he was built, rather than his actual production. Gunther was in the "Big recievers dominate" mode, so drafting a tall Morris made sense to him. Otherwise, we just take flyers, typically far enough down the draft so that no one notices we really have no idea how to scout them. I think, though, WRs have to be one of the most hit and miss prospects in any draft. They rarely produce in year one, and many times, the ones to really excell are drafted in later rounds, and suprise folks. __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
Posts: 18,295

08-04-2006, 11:35 AM	#6
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	when was the last time they picked up a great WR in FA?
Posts: 6,009

08-04-2006, 11:42 AM	#7
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	It's not just the Chiefs, it's every team in the NFL. Wide receiver is one of the most difficult positions to project in the NFL. For most teams, it takes a minimum of three years to develop a first or second round receiver (if ever), let alone a third, fourth or fifth. Take a look at the draft history of most NFL teams and they're littered but WR busts.
Posts: 88,960

08-04-2006, 11:46 AM	#10
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	J.J. Birden, Andre Rison, Derrick Alexander and Eddie Kennison are all examples of good free agent aquisitions at the WR position. Morton had a couple of decent years and a couple of bad years, but he was obviously at the end of his career (as were all the other signees). It would help if the Chiefs would maintain a consistent offensive philosophy through the years, which seems to be happening now. But changing offensive coordinators every other year is not conducive to drafting and developing players to fit a certain need or style.
Posts: 88,960

08-04-2006, 11:57 AM	#13
penguinz Supporter Join Date: Mar 2003 Casino cash: $2907626	It is pointless to draft a WR with a high pick when Herm is going to change the Offense so that we are running it on every down. __________________
Posts: 16,429