The best FFL 12-team scoring system and how many do you draft at what positions?

**jAZ** · 08-05-2006, 10:54 PM

Just curious what format's people like most and why?

No "divisions" please. Standard team defense, special teams, kicker scoring.

Thanks!

Valiant · 08-05-2006, 11:06 PM

QB
RB
RB
WR
WR
WR
TE
TE/WR
K
DEF

BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH

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For 12 man I love this set up, 3Wr TE WR/TE helps even the scoring of the WR vs. the RB's since there are only a few elite backs... But make sure you do not have many bench spots, this forces teams not to stack players that other teams could use...

I also give bonuses for QB's that go over 400, WR and RB that go over 200 yards..

**Rain Man** · 08-05-2006, 11:07 PM

This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but I was in a league for a while where we had a great keeper system.

Each person had eight "roster points". At the end of the season, you could keep anyone on your team as long as you had enough roster points to do so.

Now here's the kicker. Each player had a roster point cost equal to the number of seasons they had been with your team. So you could keep eight guys you drafted the previous season, or you could keep one guy you'd had for four years, one guy with three years, and one guy with one year. It just had to add up to eight points.

The fun part about this was that, after the league had been around a few years, the decisions got very interesting. Do you keep LaDainian Tomlinson at 4 points, or do you keep Willie Parker and Alex Smith at 2 points each? It made the keeper decisions fun, and also resulted in a steady turnover of the top players over time.

Valiant · 08-05-2006, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but I was in a league for a while where we had a great keeper system.

Each person had eight "roster points". At the end of the season, you could keep anyone on your team as long as you had enough roster points to do so.

Now here's the kicker. Each player had a roster point cost equal to the number of seasons they had been with your team. So you could keep eight guys you drafted the previous season, or you could keep one guy you'd had for four years, one guy with three years, and one guy with one year. It just had to add up to eight points.

The fun part about this was that, after the league had been around a few years, the decisions got very interesting. Do you keep LaDainian Tomlinson at 4 points, or do you keep Willie Parker and Alex Smith at 2 points each? It made the keeper decisions fun, and also resulted in a steady turnover of the top players over time.

That is a good system once you get further down the road.. My league is in year 3...

**jAZ** · 08-05-2006, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant

QB
RB
RB
WR
WR
WR
TE
TE/WR
K
DEF

BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH

---------------------------------------

For 12 man I love this set up, 3Wr TE WR/TE helps even the scoring of the WR vs. the RB's since there are only a few elite backs... But make sure you do not have many bench spots, this forces teams not to stack players that other teams could use...

I also give bonuses for QB's that go over 400, WR and RB that go over 200 yards..

What number of players (min/max) at each position do you draft? Any players you want at any position? Or a certain # at each position? Or a mix, if so what?

I ask because we always played

QB, RB, RB, WR/TE, WR/TE, RB/WR/TE, D, K

and drafted

2xQB, 4xRB, 4xWR/TE, D, K, 3xFLEX

But we are going from 8-man league to 12-man league.

With 12, the RB position is so diluted people are worried.

**Rain Man** · 08-05-2006, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant

That is a good system once you get further down the road.. My league is in year 3...

I was a big fan of it. The only problem we had was getting people to buy into it in Year 1 (we had a new league), when essentially you could keep eight players and so there wasn't much turnover in rosters that year.

There's no reason why you couldn't implement in Year 3, though. It might even work better that way.

**Nzoner** · 08-05-2006, 11:18 PM

We start

QB
RB
RB
WR
WR
WR
TE
K
DEF
Coach

BENCH HAS TO BE

1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1K
1 DEF
1 COACH
1 EXTRA PLAYER at any above position

It's a fairly decent money league at $150 per team and personally we like having the benches stacked because it encourages more trades which we also charge for.

One unique thing about our league is that we play all 17 weeks and then the top 6 teams make the actual NFL post season and continue on in a non head-to-head points tournament all the way through the NFL Superbowl.

DJay23 · 08-05-2006, 11:21 PM

Personally, I'd be happiest with a score league only. I'm not wild about all the points for every tiny little thing that happens, I'm all about the bottom line, but I digress.

The league I've been in for several years (that I am the returning champion of) and that is wildly competitive uses the following points breakdowns:

6 points for all touchdowns, passing, rushing, receiving, or defensive.

2 points for a scored or thrown 2 pt conversion

10 points for a punt or kickoff return touchdown.

1 point for every 50 yards passing after the first 100 (no bonuses)

1 point for every 20 yards rushing and/or receiving (no bonuses)

1 point for an extra point

3 points for a FG 0-39 yards

4 points for a FG 40-49 yards

5 points for a FG 50+ yards

2 points for Defensive INT or Fumble recovery

1 point for every full Sack

2 points for a Safety

2 points for a blocked FG (but not Punt

)

10 points for a defensive shutout

3 points if D holds opponent under 10 points

2 points if D holds team between 14 and 11 points

1 point if D holds team between 20 and 15 points

-1 point if D allows between 24 and 28 points

-2 points if D allows between 29 and 33 points

-3 points if D allows greater than 34 points

-2 for a thrown INT

-2 for a fumbled ball

-2 for a missed PAT

That was all from memory. I don't think I forgot anything, that seems to be it. We play head to head. Scores of games are generally between 40-60 on average and sometimes someone will go off into the 70's to 80's. 90's is rare and 100's I think has happened once in the last 3 years that I can remember. As the league champ last year I was second in points with just over 1000 for the season. The leader only had 60 more than me.

For me, I personally like a more realistic football number, that's why I'm against these PPR leagues, and getting points every time a player scratches his nuts. It's ridickerous.

DJay23 · 08-05-2006, 11:24 PM

Woops,

We draft:
2 QB
4 RB
5 WR
2 TE
2 K
2 D/ST

These are fixed numbers. You can't have all running backs on your bench if you want. Makes things a little more challenging and a little less challenging at the same time. On one hand, you have to try to draft a good backup TE, but then if I had my choice, I just wouldn't.

I'm actually in another league this year where I'll have to draft bench players without the set requirements. Should be fun.

DJay23 · 08-05-2006, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ

With 12, the RB position is so diluted people are worried.

Good, if they're not up for the challenge, they will lose then.

It's fun having a deep league because all of your little decisions win you the title. It's like boxing. If everyone has 2 stud RB's, then both boxers are landing haymakers constantly. No skill required, no research necessary just go nuts on each other. But if you only get 1 guaranteed stud, the rest is more academic and it's like you have to be patient, pick your spots and surgically take your opponents apart.

DJay23 · 08-05-2006, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner 338

1 COACH

How does this work?

**Nzoner** · 08-05-2006, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJay23

How does this work?

Each owner drafts two NFL coaches and starts one per week,if coach wins it's a 10 pt bonus,a tie is worth 5 and a loss is 0.Makes the draft a little more interesting as well.

Valiant · 08-05-2006, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ

What number of players (min/max) at each position do you draft? Any players you want at any position? Or a certain # at each position? Or a mix, if so what?

I ask because we always played

QB, RB, RB, WR/TE, WR/TE, RB/WR/TE, D, K

and drafted

2xQB, 4xRB, 4xWR/TE, D, K, 3xFLEX

But we are going from 8-man league to 12-man league.

With 12, the RB position is so diluted people are worried.

No, the ten spots I mentioned are the starters and then there is only five bench spots for whoever you want to put there... This keeps the managers from overstocking on players...

**Nzoner** · 08-05-2006, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant

No, the ten spots I mentioned are the starters and then there is only five bench spots for whoever you want to put there... This keeps the managers from overstocking on players...

I'm assuming your waiver wire is quite busy?

Valiant · 08-05-2006, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner 338

I'm assuming your waiver wire is quite busy?

Not as many as you would think unless you lose some players to injury.. Last year we had one guy at 11-2 and a 3-10, everybody else was around .500.. Everybody in the league great at drafting, we also have a 3-keeper system...

08-05-2006, 10:54 PM
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08-05-2006, 11:06 PM	#2
Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6412380	QB RB RB WR WR WR TE TE/WR K DEF BENCH BENCH BENCH BENCH BENCH --------------------------------------- For 12 man I love this set up, 3Wr TE WR/TE helps even the scoring of the WR vs. the RB's since there are only a few elite backs... But make sure you do not have many bench spots, this forces teams not to stack players that other teams could use... I also give bonuses for QB's that go over 400, WR and RB that go over 200 yards..
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08-05-2006, 11:07 PM	#3
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3318491 VARSITY	This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but I was in a league for a while where we had a great keeper system. Each person had eight "roster points". At the end of the season, you could keep anyone on your team as long as you had enough roster points to do so. Now here's the kicker. Each player had a roster point cost equal to the number of seasons they had been with your team. So you could keep eight guys you drafted the previous season, or you could keep one guy you'd had for four years, one guy with three years, and one guy with one year. It just had to add up to eight points. The fun part about this was that, after the league had been around a few years, the decisions got very interesting. Do you keep LaDainian Tomlinson at 4 points, or do you keep Willie Parker and Alex Smith at 2 points each? It made the keeper decisions fun, and also resulted in a steady turnover of the top players over time. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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08-05-2006, 11:18 PM	#7
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	We start QB RB RB WR WR WR TE K DEF Coach BENCH HAS TO BE 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1K 1 DEF 1 COACH 1 EXTRA PLAYER at any above position It's a fairly decent money league at $150 per team and personally we like having the benches stacked because it encourages more trades which we also charge for. One unique thing about our league is that we play all 17 weeks and then the top 6 teams make the actual NFL post season and continue on in a non head-to-head points tournament all the way through the NFL Superbowl. __________________ *Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.*
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08-05-2006, 11:21 PM	#8
DJay23 Rock Chalk Jayhawk Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Williamsport, PA Casino cash: $2963317	Personally, I'd be happiest with a score league only. I'm not wild about all the points for every tiny little thing that happens, I'm all about the bottom line, but I digress. The league I've been in for several years (that I am the returning champion of) and that is wildly competitive uses the following points breakdowns: 6 points for all touchdowns, passing, rushing, receiving, or defensive. 2 points for a scored or thrown 2 pt conversion 10 points for a punt or kickoff return touchdown. 1 point for every 50 yards passing after the first 100 (no bonuses) 1 point for every 20 yards rushing and/or receiving (no bonuses) 1 point for an extra point 3 points for a FG 0-39 yards 4 points for a FG 40-49 yards 5 points for a FG 50+ yards 2 points for Defensive INT or Fumble recovery 1 point for every full Sack 2 points for a Safety 2 points for a blocked FG (but not Punt ) 10 points for a defensive shutout 3 points if D holds opponent under 10 points 2 points if D holds team between 14 and 11 points 1 point if D holds team between 20 and 15 points -1 point if D allows between 24 and 28 points -2 points if D allows between 29 and 33 points -3 points if D allows greater than 34 points -2 for a thrown INT -2 for a fumbled ball -2 for a missed PAT That was all from memory. I don't think I forgot anything, that seems to be it. We play head to head. Scores of games are generally between 40-60 on average and sometimes someone will go off into the 70's to 80's. 90's is rare and 100's I think has happened once in the last 3 years that I can remember. As the league champ last year I was second in points with just over 1000 for the season. The leader only had 60 more than me. For me, I personally like a more realistic football number, that's why I'm against these PPR leagues, and getting points every time a player scratches his nuts. It's ridickerous. __________________ "True bliss is not something you search for, true bliss is already living inside us all, and sometimes it takes a roomfull of others to lead us to the mirror of your soul." - CosmicPal (10-3-03)
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08-05-2006, 11:24 PM	#9
DJay23 Rock Chalk Jayhawk Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Williamsport, PA Casino cash: $2963317	Woops, We draft: 2 QB 4 RB 5 WR 2 TE 2 K 2 D/ST These are fixed numbers. You can't have all running backs on your bench if you want. Makes things a little more challenging and a little less challenging at the same time. On one hand, you have to try to draft a good backup TE, but then if I had my choice, I just wouldn't. I'm actually in another league this year where I'll have to draft bench players without the set requirements. Should be fun. __________________ "True bliss is not something you search for, true bliss is already living inside us all, and sometimes it takes a roomfull of others to lead us to the mirror of your soul." - CosmicPal (10-3-03)
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