Is Green a done deal?

**ChiTown** · 03-13-2001, 01:22 PM

I'm guessing that, subject to a passed physical, Trent Green will be the Chiefs starting QB in '01. I would have to imagine that the preliminary details of the trade were mutually agreed upon before Trent paid his visit to KC.

Trent Green and a 2nd rder for our #12 and a 3rd rder is about one #12 too much, IMO. Help me understand how this makes sense for the Chiefs? Do we honestly believe that the Chiefs can turn things around on the shoulders of the oft' injured Green?

Is it worth trading the #12 pick in this years draft, in order to secure a QB, who in all liklihood, will not see a postseason game with the Chiefs until possibly 2003 (at age 33). I say that because this team is further away (defensively) than obtaining a QB. Our once proud and deep defense (which got us into several postseason's) looks shallow and uncertain. The #12 pick provides value for our future. I still contend that we should trade down the #12 for a later 1st rder and a 2nd rder. Pick up the best dlineman or LB with the 1st rder and either a RB or DB with the 2nd rder. QB can be addressed with one of or two 3rd's.

My question is, why trade your number #12 for an unproven commodity, when you don't really know what you have as a team and a coaching staff. Why not build and then acquire FA's. What am I missing with this Trent Green scenario????

ChiTown
~frustrated with the logic and looking for help

**Baby Lee** · 03-13-2001, 01:32 PM

I am of two minds on this one. On one hand, I'd like to see a strong indication of DV's 'stamp' on this team. On the other, if DV is going to make a stamp, it will be in his efforts to land 'his' Qb. I have noticed his approach to QbWATG [Quarterbacks who aren't Tren Green], and he is decidely reserved [note Flutie the 'stopgap'].

03-13-2001, 01:32 PM

What you're missing is Vermeil's infatuation with Green, and Peterson's infatuation with Vermeil...

Gaz · 03-13-2001, 01:46 PM

Is it a done deal?

Probably.

Just because a thing should not be done does not mean it will not be done.

xoxo~
gaz
watching a bad decision roll like a juggernaut.

ROYC75 · 03-13-2001, 01:47 PM

The old college boys,(DV & CP) love to do the circle jerk,they need a young pivot man (Green).

Need I say more ?

Pitt Gorilla · 03-13-2001, 01:54 PM

In this year's draft, what's the difference between a one or a two? This is a deep draft with few "superstars." I, for one, would rather draft in the second than pick the best back at 12. Bennett could be a bust. Heck, anyone at twelve could be a bust. Second rounders are a lot easier on the cap, and Trent is a good LONG TERM solution to our QB situation(Star article). I don't like giving up the third, but we do net a good qb. Do the deal, do it now!

Gaz · 03-13-2001, 02:04 PM

Pitt-

It is the difference between Richard Seymour or Ennis Davis at DT.

Or Fred Smoot or Andre Dyson at CB.

Or Steve Hutchinson or Jonas Jennings at OG.

Big difference.

xoxo~
gaz
not quite so nonchalant about that #12 pick.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-13-2001, 02:08 PM

at RB Micheal Bennett or LaMont Jordan, this is the reason why KC wants that 2nd round pick.

[Edited by ChiefPriority on 03-13-2001 at 04:03 PM]

KevB · 03-13-2001, 03:07 PM

Gaz,

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're comparing 1st rounders to 3rd or 4th rounders (instead of 2nd rounders). A more likely comparison is:

Smoot to Middlebrooks
Seymour to Fatafehi
Hutchinson to Gandy

Obviously a 1st rounder has more perceived talent, but we can get a very good player at 42.

Pitt Gorilla · 03-14-2001, 01:02 AM

Here's an interesting article on draft positioning. (I realize that these aren't the norm, but their not really outliers either. This article doesn't deal with 2-5 round picks that have become stars.)

Pitt Gorilla · 03-14-2001, 01:03 AM

Sorry, forgot to post the link. [url]http://nfldraft.espn.go.com/NFL/history/lateshow.html[/url]

Gaz · 03-14-2001, 12:30 PM

KevB-

Pitt asked for the difference between a 1st & a 2nd, not a 1st & a 3rd.

I took those players directly from mock drafts. They are not my ratings. They are the rankings of guys who have been doing mock drafts for years.

I realize there is always disagreement on where players will be drafted, but those names I listed were fairly consistent on several boards.

xoxo~
gaz
has no published mock draft to his name.

[Edited by Gaz on 03-14-2001 at 12:32 PM]

Clint in Wichita · 03-14-2001, 12:34 PM

Yes, we might miss out on a Fred Smoot or a Gerald Warren, but what good does it do if your QB is Todd Collins?

We've been down the "good defense, awful skill position players" road before, and we already know it doesn't work for KC.

**ChiTown** · 03-14-2001, 12:41 PM

Only one problem with your implied statement Clint, why are you convinced that Trent Green is a good skill position player (and not just average)?

03-13-2001, 01:32 PM	#2
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03-13-2001, 01:32 PM	#3
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03-13-2001, 01:46 PM	#4
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Is it a done deal? Probably. Just because a thing should not be done does not mean it will not be done. xoxo~ gaz watching a bad decision roll like a juggernaut.
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03-13-2001, 01:47 PM	#5
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5559400	The old college boys,(DV & CP) love to do the circle jerk,they need a young pivot man (Green). Need I say more ? __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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03-13-2001, 01:54 PM	#6
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $2810194	In this year's draft, what's the difference between a one or a two? This is a deep draft with few "superstars." I, for one, would rather draft in the second than pick the best back at 12. Bennett could be a bust. Heck, anyone at twelve could be a bust. Second rounders are a lot easier on the cap, and Trent is a good LONG TERM solution to our QB situation(Star article). I don't like giving up the third, but we do net a good qb. Do the deal, do it now! __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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03-13-2001, 01:22 PM
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $3153962	I'm guessing that, subject to a passed physical, Trent Green will be the Chiefs starting QB in '01. I would have to imagine that the preliminary details of the trade were mutually agreed upon before Trent paid his visit to KC. Trent Green and a 2nd rder for our #12 and a 3rd rder is about one #12 too much, IMO. Help me understand how this makes sense for the Chiefs? Do we honestly believe that the Chiefs can turn things around on the shoulders of the oft' injured Green? Is it worth trading the #12 pick in this years draft, in order to secure a QB, who in all liklihood, will not see a postseason game with the Chiefs until possibly 2003 (at age 33). I say that because this team is further away (defensively) than obtaining a QB. Our once proud and deep defense (which got us into several postseason's) looks shallow and uncertain. The #12 pick provides value for our future. I still contend that we should trade down the #12 for a later 1st rder and a 2nd rder. Pick up the best dlineman or LB with the 1st rder and either a RB or DB with the 2nd rder. QB can be addressed with one of or two 3rd's. My question is, why trade your number #12 for an unproven commodity, when you don't really know what you have as a team and a coaching staff. Why not build and then acquire FA's. What am I missing with this Trent Green scenario???? ChiTown ~frustrated with the logic and looking for help
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03-13-2001, 02:04 PM	#7
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Pitt- It is the difference between Richard Seymour or Ennis Davis at DT. Or Fred Smoot or Andre Dyson at CB. Or Steve Hutchinson or Jonas Jennings at OG. Big difference. xoxo~ gaz not quite so nonchalant about that #12 pick.
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03-13-2001, 02:08 PM	#8
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $772813	at RB Micheal Bennett or LaMont Jordan, this is the reason why KC wants that 2nd round pick. [Edited by ChiefPriority on 03-13-2001 at 04:03 PM]
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03-13-2001, 03:07 PM	#9
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	Gaz, I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're comparing 1st rounders to 3rd or 4th rounders (instead of 2nd rounders). A more likely comparison is: Smoot to Middlebrooks Seymour to Fatafehi Hutchinson to Gandy Obviously a 1st rounder has more perceived talent, but we can get a very good player at 42.
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03-14-2001, 01:02 AM	#10
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $2810194	Here's an interesting article on draft positioning. (I realize that these aren't the norm, but their not really outliers either. This article doesn't deal with 2-5 round picks that have become stars.) __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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03-14-2001, 01:03 AM	#11
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $2810194	Sorry, forgot to post the link. [url]http://nfldraft.espn.go.com/NFL/history/lateshow.html[/url] __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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03-14-2001, 12:30 PM	#12
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	KevB- Pitt asked for the difference between a 1st & a 2nd, not a 1st & a 3rd. I took those players directly from mock drafts. They are not my ratings. They are the rankings of guys who have been doing mock drafts for years. I realize there is always disagreement on where players will be drafted, but those names I listed were fairly consistent on several boards. xoxo~ gaz has no published mock draft to his name. [Edited by Gaz on 03-14-2001 at 12:32 PM]
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03-14-2001, 12:34 PM	#13
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Yes, we might miss out on a Fred Smoot or a Gerald Warren, but what good does it do if your QB is Todd Collins? We've been down the "good defense, awful skill position players" road before, and we already know it doesn't work for KC.
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03-14-2001, 12:41 PM	#14
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $3153962	Only one problem with your implied statement Clint, why are you convinced that Trent Green is a good skill position player (and not just average)?
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