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Old 08-29-2007, 07:40 PM  
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Gretz: Second Chance for Vick?
Pretty good story for Gretz. He puts the Vick tragedy in perspective by comparing it to Leonard Little. A true crime how the NFL gave Little a pass. If that happened today i doubt Goodell would be so forgiving...


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Sometime in 2009, Michael Vick will have served his jail time and will be contemplating returning to pro football.

He should be given that opportunity.

I can’t imagine any scenario where the NFL would keep him out. The league doesn’t have a moral leg to stand on should it decide to slap a lifetime ban on Vick for pleading guilty to charges involving dog fighting.

Maybe they could do it legally; Commissioner Roger Goodell may have that power. But as long as Vick serves his time and does not get into further trouble, he should be allowed a second chance.

How can a league that has allowed St. Louis Rams defensive end Leonard Little to play for the last eight years ban anybody from returning to the playing field?

In October of 1998, Little drove his SUV through a stoplight in downtown St. Louis, smashed into another car and killed Susan Gutweiler. She was 47 years old. She was a wife and mother, leaving behind her husband Bill and son Mike.

Little was drunk, with test results twice the legal limit.

If you want to know how unfair the justice system can be, then consider the fact that Little spent just 90 days in a special work program after pleading guilty to involuntary manslaughter. Ninety days for taking the life of another person. Not only that, but now the whole thing has been expunged from his record. According to the justice system in St. Louis, Little never did anything wrong.

And Vick is going to get 12 to 18 months for running a dog-fighting ring and taking part in the killing of some of those animals?

That’s a justice system out of whack.

Don’t take this as a defense of Vick. He deserves every single day he’s handed behind bars. Vick was part of a business that was illegal and he knew so. He put himself above the law. He thought he was untouchable because of his standing in the world of sports. These were not crimes of ignorance, but crimes of arrogance.

Vick has now learned that he’s not above the law. He will soon pay the price for his crimes. Once he does, he should have the chance to return to the NFL. If Little got a second chance, then so should Vick.

The league, under then Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, suspended Little for eight games. He’s played every year since, signing two new contracts and making multi-millions of dollars. Whether or not he learned anything from his tragedy remains unknown. Just a few years ago he was pulled over for speeding in St. Louis and he failed a field sobriety test. Only a screw-up by the police in how they handled the situation kept him from facing another DUI charge and real legal consequences.

Vick has a long two years to prove he’s learned something from this sad affair. But if he satisfies the courts by serving his time without further problems, that should be enough to satisfy the NFL. That doesn’t mean any team has to step up and sign him. Obviously, some clubs would be interested, but they would face plenty of public outcry and complaints.

Everyone deserves a second chance. If Leonard Little got one, then Michael Vick should have one as well.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:44 PM   #2
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I think Vick deserves a second chance, absolutely. But I also don't like the argument that criminal X got off easy, so criminal Y should too.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:45 PM   #3
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I think Vick deserves a second chance, absolutely. But I also don't like the argument that criminal X got off easy, so criminal Y should too.

The NFL made a huge mistake with Little....no doubt about it. But that was nearly 10 years ago and a different commish.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:46 PM   #4
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He should get suspended for at least a year. He should be able to play when his suspension is up. He also should have to do tons and tons and even more tons of community service that Goddell tells him, plus more from what the law tells him to do.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:48 PM   #5
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Based on this, I really don't have a problem with him being given another shot after a couple years. WTF was Tagliabue thinking, only giving Little an 8 game suspension? Oh, and the Legal system is PERFECT...
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:53 PM   #6
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One was "premeditated" slaughter of another living thing... one was foolishness that resulted in a tragedy. He should not be allowed back.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:54 PM   #7
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One was "premeditated" slaughter of another living thing... one was foolishness that resulted in a tragedy. He should not be allowed back.
Driving while drunk is predetermined murder as well. Its just waiting to happen.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:54 PM   #8
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I think Vick deserves a second chance, absolutely. But I also don't like the argument that criminal X got off easy, so criminal Y should too.
Yeah, new comish... things are different now. And just because one guy didn't get what he deserved doesn't mean nobody should.

I thought Vick seemed sincere in his statement, up until he mentioned that he'd found jebus. People seem to thing that fixes everything.

After he's served his time, I'd be ok with the NFL letting him play again. (If someone wants him.)

I wouldn't want him on my favorite team, but I didn't really want him before all this either.
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:56 PM   #9
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Vick should never be allowed to play or attend another NFL game.
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Driving while drunk is predetermined murder as well. Its just waiting to happen.
No... it's not. By definition, it's not.

A drunk doesn't plan to kill someone. A drunk may take a risk that results in a death, and that's horrible... but it's not "predetermined murder".
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:59 PM   #11
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The NFL made a huge mistake with Little....no doubt about it. But that was nearly 10 years ago and a different commish.
I am sure her Husband and Son feelt he same way... 10 years or 600 years.. Little is still a waste of human sperm....

Should of never seen another down of NFL playing time or $$$$..

Yet the Rams fans still cheered for him....
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Driving while drunk is predetermined murder as well. Its just waiting to happen.
Not sure what predetermined murder is, but I still dont agree. One guy was a stupid jackass, and the other was a cold blooded killer.
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No... it's not. By definition, it's not.

A drunk doesn't plan to kill someone. A drunk may take a risk that results in a death, and that's horrible... but it's not "predetermined murder".

Should be!
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Playing in the NFL is a privelige and he has violated that. Just b/c in the past the NFL was stupid doesn't mean Roger Goodell can't start a new precedent. Micheal Dick is a low life who deserves to be lawn boy for someone, there are others with past crimes just as deserving as this. This is the time to make a statement and bring back intregrity to professional sports. Pro sports are under question with NBA refs gambling, steroids in baseball, it is time that the NFL steps in and sets new precidence for professional football.
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The running of an illegal gambling ring gives Goodell all the ammo he needs to give a lifetime ban.

Being involved in illegal gambling is the cardinal sin of all professional sports. Regardless of where a person stands on the dog fighting and unthinkable cruelty in which he chose to kill dogs the gambling hook is all he needs to justify a lifetime ban.....especially in light of the current NBA mess.
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