When do we start blaming players?

[DJ_is_the_realdeal]

I know everyone here loves the Chiefs and want them to do well. But when do we start blaming the players for the performance. The coaches can only do so much. They can't block or execute the play during the game, it's up to the players. As the best fans in the world we deserve alot better than the half-a$$ play we have seen so far. What do you think?

[chasedude]

I think there's been so much finger pointing on here that about everyone in the Chiefs organization has been blamed for something by now.

[ChiefsCountry]

The offensive line, Huard, and the WRs get critized quite a bit.

[CoMoChief]

Well on offense, it is clear that the playcalling is horrid. Players only do what they're told to do by the coaches that call out the plays. When you are running the ball on 3rd and 13, throwing fade routes in the corner of the endzone to your smallest WR in hope that he wins a jumping contest with a bigger and stronger CB, or throwing COUNTLESS numbers of checkdown and FB flat passes, and when you're not throwing the ball downfield, the offense isn't going to amount to shit IMO.

Solari needs the call better plays. He needs to not listen to Herm and do what the **** he saw Al Saunders do for years while he was hear. You need to keep the defense off balanced, you need to throw the ball downfield to open up the running game. These fullback screens and post passes for a few yrds wont cut it because you can still leave 8-9 guys in the box.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The offensive line, Huard, and the WRs get critized quite a bit.

Agreed.

I've said on numerious threads of how I think this Oline stinks.

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Well on offense, it is clear that the playcalling is horrid. Players only do what they're told to do by the coaches that call out the plays. When you are running the ball on 3rd and 13, throwing fade routes in the corner of the endzone to your smallest WR in hope that he wins a jumping contest with a bigger and stronger CB, or throwing COUNTLESS numbers of checkdown and FB flat passes, and when you're not throwing the ball downfield, the offense isn't going to amount to shit IMO.

Solari needs the call better plays. He needs to not listen to Herm and do what the **** he saw Al Saunders do for years while he was hear. You need to keep the defense off balanced, you need to throw the ball downfield to open up the running game. These fullback screens and post passes for a few yrds wont cut it because you can still leave 8-9 guys in the box.

I'm not defending the play calling by any means, but I thought it was pretty well documented that the throw to Parker was a play called for Gonzalez and Huard decided to go to Parker because he thought he saw man coverage there?

And aren't checkdowns called checkdowns because either your primary targets or covered, or you are physically not capable of making another throw?

Like I said, I'm not fond of a lot of the play calling but those types of things exacerbate poor play calling.

[Mr. Laz]

who chose to keep these players?

who trained these players?

who develops the game plan for these players?

[macdawg]

before long we are going to need a separate forum for Solari alone, lol

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Chest Rockwell

I'm not defending the play calling by any means, but I thought it was pretty well documented that the throw to Parker was a play called for Gonzalez and Huard decided to go to Parker because he thought he saw man coverage there?

And aren't checkdowns called checkdowns because either your primary targets or covered, or you are physically not capable of making another throw?

Like I said, I'm not fond of a lot of the play calling but those types of things exacerbate poor play calling.

Once again why design that play for Parker and not Bowe or Webb?

That is true about checkdowns, but how many times did you see a FB pass out in the flats or a whopping 4yd WR slant? About a little more than half of the pass attempts were for those plays.

[shaneo69]

Originally Posted by DJ_is_the_realdeal

I know everyone here loves the Chiefs and want them to do well. But when do we start blaming the players for the performance. The coaches can only do so much. They can't block or execute the play during the game, it's up to the players. As the best fans in the world we deserve alot better than the half-a$$ play we have seen so far. What do you think?

I think the players do get blamed when it's called for. Samie Parker and Dante Hall last year come to mind.

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Once again why design that play for Parker and not Bowe or Webb?

That is true about checkdowns, but how many times did you see a FB pass out in the flats or a whopping 4yd WR slant? About a little more than half of the pass attempts were for those plays.

I agree it's poor play design, and the coaches don't skate on that. At the same time, Huard's been around long enough to recognize that and not just make that throw like a brain-dead monkey. I thought the reason he was starting was he made better decisions than that.

Still not defending play calls, I just think a lot of the passes are called due to the physical limitations of the QB, and the testicular fortitude limitations of the HC with regards to offense in general. While Solari may well be a shitey OC, those two things dictate a lot of the things he has to do in my opinion.

The FB flats are really getting on my nerves, though.

[StcChief]

since when are players NOT blamed here?

TrINT

Stone hands parker

McPasson

Burntee


has it never been a scapegoating problem

all coaches all the time...

[DJ_is_the_realdeal]

Originally Posted by Laz

who chose to keep these players?

who trained these players?

who develops the game plan for these players?

Well we all know the answer to those questions but all im saying is that the past two games the players on offense, besides Brian Waters, are not bringing it. LJ I know will be ready this week. I like Herm but I think he came in a bad situation and he is getting the blame for DV's ability of not drafting quality players. Herm can only do so much at once. And for the guys that miss our high scoring offense. Where did that get us in DV's tenor. I don't know about you but I don't miss the days when we had a 17pt lead (Philly) and knowing our defense couldn't stop anyone.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DJ_is_the_realdeal

I know everyone here loves the Chiefs and want them to do well. But when do we start blaming the players for the performance. The coaches can only do so much. They can't block or execute the play during the game, it's up to the players. As the best fans in the world we deserve alot better than the half-a$$ play we have seen so far. What do you think?

I'll break this down in 2:

1. I blame the players for one and one thing only, execution. A drop pass, a missed block, a missed tackle, those are player mistakes.
If the player fails to execute, then that's not the coach's fault.

2. But, playcalling, game planning, preparation, the way the coaches decide to utilize the players in their schemes, etc. If that there is not right, I blame coaching.

*So far from what I have seen #2 outweighs #1 by a pretty decent margin.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ_is_the_realdeal

Well we all know the answer to those questions but all im saying is that the past two games the players on offense, besides Brian Waters, are not bringing it. LJ I know will be ready this week. I like Herm but I think he came in a bad situation and he is getting the blame for DV's ability of not drafting quality players. Herm can only do so much at once. And for the guys that miss our high scoring offense. Where did that get us in DV's tenor. I don't know about you but I don't miss the days when we had a 17pt lead (Philly) and knowing our defense couldn't stop anyone.

and i say that John Welborn would be doing a much better job at blocking if the other team didn't know what play was coming.