Chiefs Whitlock: CHIEFS SUCK!!!!

Hammock Parties · 08-02-2008, 10:04 PM

Wooptie-doo!

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/731692.html

RIVER FALLS, Wis. | Pro football, more than any other sport, is like a woman. The moment you think you have the game figured out is the very moment the game makes a complete fool out of you.

Saturday afternoon I spent much of the day thinking back to how the Chiefs arrived at this point — 20 years of Carl Peterson and an expansion roster. It can all be traced to Dick Vermeil, who was convinced he had the NFL completely decoded when he arrived in Kansas City in 2001 fresh off a St. Louis Super Bowl run.

Vermeil was positive the fast-break offense he and Mike Martz developed in St. Louis would get the Chiefs to the Super Bowl in two years at a minimum, and within five if there were small hiccups.

Well, we know how that all ended. The Chiefs detonated a lot of fireworks without generating much bang for Lamar Hunt’s bucks. The game, like a diva-ish woman, humbled Vermeil.

And the natural reaction was to enlist an old-school, by-the-book playa to fix things.

The unpredictable nature of professional football creates head coaches like Herm Edwards, a man committed to a conservative, defensive approach. Defensive-minded coaches lock up their prom dates in early December, well before Christmas, and then they spend January, February and March secretly prospecting for an upgrade.

It’s a proven approach. Year in and year out a coach like Herm Edwards is always going to have a solid date for homecoming and the prom and the same girl is likely to invite him to the Sadie Hawkins, too.

What most people never do, though, is take a look back at Herm’s dates in junior high, the third cousin from the town 90 minutes away who was driven over by an aunt just so Herm wouldn’t be dateless for the eighth-grade social.

We’re going to see her this year. There’s a chance that this year’s Kansas City defense will be as bad as any of those neglected and ignored units Dick Vermeil used to throw on the field while he and Al Saunders formulated the next set of plays for Trent Green, Priest Holmes and Tony Gonzalez.

On Saturday, I talked about all the prayers the Chiefs are hoping the football gods answer on the offensive side of the ball. Well, Gunther Cunningham is on his knees, too. This defense is a mess.

This offseason when Herm said defensive tackle Alfonso Boone would move to defensive end — basically replacing Jared Allen — I assumed Herm was joking. He wasn’t. Boone is actually lining up as the strongside defensive end at training camp.

Longtime readers of this column know that I have a hard and fast rule about 300-pound defensive ends. Except for Reggie White, the greatest defensive player in the history of the league, they stink. Reggie was a physical freak of nature. He doesn’t even really count. Years ago the Chiefs tried to make Chester McGlockton a strongside defensive end. The experiment flopped.

Boone at end will be worse. He’s a decent defensive tackle. He’ll be overmatched athletically against offensive tackles.

And that’s just the beginning of Kansas City’s defensive shortcomings. I’m not convinced Tamba Hali is a legit pass-rusher, and we’re unlikely to find out this season if he is.

Prayer No. 1 for the Chiefs is Glenn Dorsey needs to be a beast as a rookie for the defense to have any chance at survival. I don’t think he’s in good enough shape. He has been compared to a young Warren Sapp. The difference is Sapp had a totally different lower body when he entered the league. He was more athletically built. He had bounce, explosion. Dorsey has power. I’m not sure he’s a three technique. But that’s just early speculation. Dorsey hurt his left knee during the tail end of Saturday’s practice.

What I’m suggesting is the Chiefs are unlikely to have much of a pass rush from their front four.

That means they’ll need to blitz. That means they’ll need terrific play from their linebackers. They don’t have a middle linebacker. They benched Napoleon Harris. Some guy named Pat Thomas is starting in the middle. Donnie Edwards is old on the outside. There are fears he may break down. And Derrick Johnson has yet to take the next step and become a star. He’s still playing the game on pure instincts. He wasn’t taught to play the game at Texas.

Now, KC’s secondary will be improved. Bernard Pollard is in excellent shape. He’s 15 to 20 pounds thinner than a year ago, and you can really see it when he’s in pass coverage. Jarrad Page is ready to be a star. Herm Edwards believes rookie corner Brandon Flowers has a chance to be a starter in this league for a long time.

Unfortunately, the front seven is going to put too much pressure on the back end of Kansas City’s D.

This is the rebuilding year we asked for. Love it or leave it.

chiefbowe82 · 08-02-2008, 10:09 PM

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Hammock Parties · 08-02-2008, 10:12 PM

I hate to agree with him for some reason, but he has a point. Brodie had tons of time tonight.

kcxiv · 08-02-2008, 10:14 PM

nothing i didnt already know about the Dline. Tamba is just going to get run at and fold over. teams are going to run on us big time. ITs going to get ugly.

Messier · 08-02-2008, 10:16 PM

What's clear is that Whitlock is going to be extremely tough on Dorsey, not just this season but for his entire career. Whitlock came out against Dorsey while he was still in college, and I guess he wants to stay true to that take.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-02-2008, 10:16 PM

Anyone who previously thought that the Chiefs would win more than 4 games this year is a fool.

Asking rookies, even phenom rookies, to step in and play at Pro Bowl level for 16 games without injury is ludicrous.

If the Chiefs win more than 5 games this year, 2009 should be an Insult-Free offseason for Herm and his staff.

Because it seem that everyone outside of Kansas City realizes that the Chiefs will probably be the worst team in the NFL this year.

All we can hope as fans is that they're not the worst team ever (0-16).

Hammock Parties · 08-02-2008, 10:16 PM

By the way, Hali was NOT playing tonight. That's kind of important?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-02-2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

By the way, Hali was NOT playing tonight. That's kind of important?

That's a good question.

Is it?

Is he a schlub without Allen on the other side?

Does anyone actually know?

Hammock Parties · 08-02-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's a good question.

Is it?

Is he a schlub without Allen on the other side?

Does anyone actually know?

Maybe it's a moot point. Chiefs offense didn't have Albert. Chiefs defense didn't have Hali.

Red Dawg · 08-02-2008, 10:20 PM

is wrong alot about the Chiefs. He said the 98 team would 16-0 and Priest was done the year he score 27 TD's. That's just for starters. Damn near everything he writers that's KC Chiefs related is BS. He's good at controversy opinionated stuff but actual team analogy he sucks at.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-02-2008, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

is wrong alot about the Chiefs. He said the 98 team would 16-0 and Priest was done the year he score 27 TD's. That's just for starters. Damn near everything he writers that's KC Chiefs related is BS. He's good at controversy opinionated stuff but actual team analogy he sucks at.

Yeah, of course you're right.

Everything in the Kansas City sportworld happens exactly opposite of the KC Star's writers.

If the East and West Coast media outlets hated the Chiefs more, they'd win a championship.

Because as we all know, that's how dynasties are born.

Through hatred.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-02-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

Maybe it's a moot point. Chiefs offense didn't have Albert. Chiefs defense didn't have Hali.

At this point, I think it's hard to quantify.

At either position.

ChiefsCountry · 08-02-2008, 10:23 PM

I think Whitlock knows football pretty good, probally is he is the shock the water cooler columnist for the Star. His job is to stir the pot. I would like to see jwhit write just a football only take article without trying to stir the pot.

Messier · 08-02-2008, 10:25 PM

Hali is a good player. He's probably a 7-10 sack a year player no matter who's on the other side. He's also a good tackler.

Coach · 08-02-2008, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier

Hali is a good player. He's probably a 7-10 sack a year player no matter who's on the other side. He's also a good tackler.

Yeah, he's a solid tackler that he has trouble on bringing down QB's occasionally.

08-02-2008, 10:04 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4390478	Whitlock: CHIEFS SUCK!!!! Wooptie-doo! http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/731692.html RIVER FALLS, Wis. \| Pro football, more than any other sport, is like a woman. The moment you think you have the game figured out is the very moment the game makes a complete fool out of you. Saturday afternoon I spent much of the day thinking back to how the Chiefs arrived at this point — 20 years of Carl Peterson and an expansion roster. It can all be traced to Dick Vermeil, who was convinced he had the NFL completely decoded when he arrived in Kansas City in 2001 fresh off a St. Louis Super Bowl run. Vermeil was positive the fast-break offense he and Mike Martz developed in St. Louis would get the Chiefs to the Super Bowl in two years at a minimum, and within five if there were small hiccups. Well, we know how that all ended. The Chiefs detonated a lot of fireworks without generating much bang for Lamar Hunt’s bucks. The game, like a diva-ish woman, humbled Vermeil. And the natural reaction was to enlist an old-school, by-the-book playa to fix things. The unpredictable nature of professional football creates head coaches like Herm Edwards, a man committed to a conservative, defensive approach. Defensive-minded coaches lock up their prom dates in early December, well before Christmas, and then they spend January, February and March secretly prospecting for an upgrade. It’s a proven approach. Year in and year out a coach like Herm Edwards is always going to have a solid date for homecoming and the prom and the same girl is likely to invite him to the Sadie Hawkins, too. What most people never do, though, is take a look back at Herm’s dates in junior high, the third cousin from the town 90 minutes away who was driven over by an aunt just so Herm wouldn’t be dateless for the eighth-grade social. We’re going to see her this year. There’s a chance that this year’s Kansas City defense will be as bad as any of those neglected and ignored units Dick Vermeil used to throw on the field while he and Al Saunders formulated the next set of plays for Trent Green, Priest Holmes and Tony Gonzalez. On Saturday, I talked about all the prayers the Chiefs are hoping the football gods answer on the offensive side of the ball. Well, Gunther Cunningham is on his knees, too. This defense is a mess. This offseason when Herm said defensive tackle Alfonso Boone would move to defensive end — basically replacing Jared Allen — I assumed Herm was joking. He wasn’t. Boone is actually lining up as the strongside defensive end at training camp. Longtime readers of this column know that I have a hard and fast rule about 300-pound defensive ends. Except for Reggie White, the greatest defensive player in the history of the league, they stink. Reggie was a physical freak of nature. He doesn’t even really count. Years ago the Chiefs tried to make Chester McGlockton a strongside defensive end. The experiment flopped. Boone at end will be worse. He’s a decent defensive tackle. He’ll be overmatched athletically against offensive tackles. And that’s just the beginning of Kansas City’s defensive shortcomings. I’m not convinced Tamba Hali is a legit pass-rusher, and we’re unlikely to find out this season if he is. Prayer No. 1 for the Chiefs is Glenn Dorsey needs to be a beast as a rookie for the defense to have any chance at survival. I don’t think he’s in good enough shape. He has been compared to a young Warren Sapp. The difference is Sapp had a totally different lower body when he entered the league. He was more athletically built. He had bounce, explosion. Dorsey has power. I’m not sure he’s a three technique. But that’s just early speculation. Dorsey hurt his left knee during the tail end of Saturday’s practice. What I’m suggesting is the Chiefs are unlikely to have much of a pass rush from their front four. That means they’ll need to blitz. That means they’ll need terrific play from their linebackers. They don’t have a middle linebacker. They benched Napoleon Harris. Some guy named Pat Thomas is starting in the middle. Donnie Edwards is old on the outside. There are fears he may break down. And Derrick Johnson has yet to take the next step and become a star. He’s still playing the game on pure instincts. He wasn’t taught to play the game at Texas. Now, KC’s secondary will be improved. Bernard Pollard is in excellent shape. He’s 15 to 20 pounds thinner than a year ago, and you can really see it when he’s in pass coverage. Jarrad Page is ready to be a star. Herm Edwards believes rookie corner Brandon Flowers has a chance to be a starter in this league for a long time. Unfortunately, the front seven is going to put too much pressure on the back end of Kansas City’s D. This is the rebuilding year we asked for. Love it or leave it.
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08-02-2008, 10:14 PM	#4
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08-02-2008, 10:16 PM	#5
Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	What's clear is that Whitlock is going to be extremely tough on Dorsey, not just this season but for his entire career. Whitlock came out against Dorsey while he was still in college, and I guess he wants to stay true to that take.
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08-02-2008, 10:16 PM	#6
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Anyone who previously thought that the Chiefs would win more than 4 games this year is a fool. Asking rookies, even phenom rookies, to step in and play at Pro Bowl level for 16 games without injury is ludicrous. If the Chiefs win more than 5 games this year, 2009 should be an Insult-Free offseason for Herm and his staff. Because it seem that everyone outside of Kansas City realizes that the Chiefs will probably be the worst team in the NFL this year. All we can hope as fans is that they're not the worst team ever (0-16).
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08-02-2008, 10:20 PM	#10
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08-02-2008, 10:23 PM	#13
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $1998752	I think Whitlock knows football pretty good, probally is he is the shock the water cooler columnist for the Star. His job is to stir the pot. I would like to see jwhit write just a football only take article without trying to stir the pot.
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08-02-2008, 10:25 PM	#14
Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	Hali is a good player. He's probably a 7-10 sack a year player no matter who's on the other side. He's also a good tackler.
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