Chiefs Carl, do these things, and save your job.

Gravedigger · 10-05-2008, 03:16 PM

Firing Herm now will do nothing for this team atm. It's the truth, it might help the play calling but the talent wouldn't get any better. LJ will still complain, Tony will still keep his go get em attitude, any of our QB's will still be either injury proned or interception proned, and our Oline will still be shaky just like our defense. This is the team that Herm built and it will be his end, but it will be at the end of the season.

The decision to fire Herm would just be to please a mob, but you have to have a guarantee that parts of those mob after they get what they want they'd come to games again, which Carl doesn't have. I don't care if Herm gets fired I just know that not a whole lot will change. You can call for blood if you want but that doesn't mean you will get it. I know that the next step requires certain things to fall in place like Junior QB's to come out, hopefully Stafford and Bradford come out this year.

Everyone knows what needs to happen after this season, besides fixing up our Oline we need that first round franchise Quarterback. Carl's job depends on two things, one getting that first round franchise quarterback to reenergize the fans and the organization, he also needs to get rid of Herm and bring in Cowher, not Marty and not some new young coach. I don't care if people say he wouldn't come here, if you give him enough money he will come here, we're not the Raiders, we're not the Rams, we're not the Bengals, and we're not the Browns, we ARE the Chiefs and we ARE better than that, if you want change than this step, and your confidence, is critical.

One major problem that I see is being the fourth or fifth pick behind a team like Houston, St. Louis, or the Lions is that Carl will not bust his ass to get what we need. I would gladly give up a 1st, a 3rd, and Larry Johnson for the Number 1 pick to pick up Stafford, and I bet that any of those teams would take it, PLUS it would also send Larry out of our hair and to another bad team. Carl is stingy, but Cowher is not, if Cowher came in and it was his draft he'd go out and give everything for that one franchise guy whether it be Stafford or Bradford, with his skills Cowher would do what Herm would not, and everyone knows that.

If we had Stafford/or Bradford and we had their intelligence, and release times/arm strength, Cowher would be intrigued in this young team. I guarantee that Cowher would get so much more out of this team than Herm would. Cowher would take the elements that Herm had placed, Carr, Flowers, Dorsey, Hali, Turk, Tank, Pollard, DJ, and all of them on the defensive side of the ball and he would turn them into what Herm wants, but not what Herm gets. Give Cowher this young team, a franchise quarterback, AND alot of money and make it happen. Marty would do a little bit more for this franchise to get it back to subpar play, but Cowher would revitalize everything.

1. Fire Herm, get Cowher.
2. Cowher gets rid of Herms staff and brings in his own.
3. Cowher gets the say in the draft, and trades up to get Matt Stafford/Sam Bradford, it will revitalize the franchise and put fans back in the stands.
4. If neither comes out, which would be kinda foolish considering the type of money they'd be turning down, then we're going to have to settle and we're SOL. Stafford/Bradford are the two best QB's coming out of the draft for the next two years, and to not get one of them would be unacceptable.

Young defense + Franchise Quarterback + Cowher = What the Chiefs should be. Carl make it happen.

And I know that this ticks off Mr. Claythan but sorry bro, it's the way things are. No Herm, and no Larry Johnson will help this team in the long run.

**Bob Dole** · 10-05-2008, 03:19 PM

Firing Herm now would stop him from causing any more damage to the young players on this team.

And the game plan/coaching is a much larger problem than the talent.

Gravedigger · 10-05-2008, 03:20 PM

Then fire him, I don't care lol, I care about what we do this offseason more than anything.

kstater · 10-05-2008, 03:21 PM

Why do you want Carl to keep his job?

chiefs1111 · 10-05-2008, 03:22 PM

we don;t want Carl to save his job

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-05-2008, 03:22 PM

Enough of the goddamn cock****ing rat shittenheimer coaching tree.

Gravedigger · 10-05-2008, 03:23 PM

It's more a threatening statement than anything I dont care if they both get fired, but I can't threaten Clark cause.... well yeah lol.

Pneuma · 10-05-2008, 03:41 PM

Cower is not the answer...He is conservative also. No one would even mention Cower if he didn't win his last Superbowl.

evolve27 · 10-05-2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma

Cower is not the answer...He is conservative also. No one would even mention Cower if he didn't win his last Superbowl.

Cowher would bring us instant credibility.

TEX · 10-05-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Firing Herm now would stop him from causing any more damage to the young players on this team.

And the game plan/coaching is a much larger problem than the talent.

**Dave Lane** · 10-05-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Enough of the goddamn cockf***ing rat shittenheimer coaching tree.

Well Cowher is the only one of the tree that ever learned anything on the O side of the ball. I'd take him in a heartbeat and I hate Marty / Herm...

Dave

TEX · 10-05-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pneuma

Cower is not the answer...He is conservative also. No one would even mention Cower if he didn't win his last Superbowl.

But we CAN say it because he DID win the Super Bowl as well as many division titles, playoff games, etc.

sedated · 10-05-2008, 03:55 PM

Lane Kiffin is the future!

KevB · 10-05-2008, 03:56 PM

If Cowher brings us what he brought the Steelers....I'm in. Conservative? A little, but he would bring back the dominating D that so energizes Arrowhead, and I think we all would take that scenario right now. Those days were fun....Arrowhead was the place to be.

2bikemike · 10-05-2008, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Firing Herm now would stop him from causing any more damage to the young players on this team.

And the game plan/coaching is a much larger problem than the talent.

This is true. If we were at least seeing some improvement in the team I would say give Herm a chance. However I am not seeing any improvement. I realize this rebuilding will take time but you should see something every week to feel good about. Tony breaking the record was the only good thing about this game and that was a week overdue.

10-05-2008, 03:16 PM
Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7293101	Carl, do these things, and save your job. Firing Herm now will do nothing for this team atm. It's the truth, it might help the play calling but the talent wouldn't get any better. LJ will still complain, Tony will still keep his go get em attitude, any of our QB's will still be either injury proned or interception proned, and our Oline will still be shaky just like our defense. This is the team that Herm built and it will be his end, but it will be at the end of the season. The decision to fire Herm would just be to please a mob, but you have to have a guarantee that parts of those mob after they get what they want they'd come to games again, which Carl doesn't have. I don't care if Herm gets fired I just know that not a whole lot will change. You can call for blood if you want but that doesn't mean you will get it. I know that the next step requires certain things to fall in place like Junior QB's to come out, hopefully Stafford and Bradford come out this year. Everyone knows what needs to happen after this season, besides fixing up our Oline we need that first round franchise Quarterback. Carl's job depends on two things, one getting that first round franchise quarterback to reenergize the fans and the organization, he also needs to get rid of Herm and bring in Cowher, not Marty and not some new young coach. I don't care if people say he wouldn't come here, if you give him enough money he will come here, we're not the Raiders, we're not the Rams, we're not the Bengals, and we're not the Browns, we ARE the Chiefs and we ARE better than that, if you want change than this step, and your confidence, is critical. One major problem that I see is being the fourth or fifth pick behind a team like Houston, St. Louis, or the Lions is that Carl will not bust his ass to get what we need. I would gladly give up a 1st, a 3rd, and Larry Johnson for the Number 1 pick to pick up Stafford, and I bet that any of those teams would take it, PLUS it would also send Larry out of our hair and to another bad team. Carl is stingy, but Cowher is not, if Cowher came in and it was his draft he'd go out and give everything for that one franchise guy whether it be Stafford or Bradford, with his skills Cowher would do what Herm would not, and everyone knows that. If we had Stafford/or Bradford and we had their intelligence, and release times/arm strength, Cowher would be intrigued in this young team. I guarantee that Cowher would get so much more out of this team than Herm would. Cowher would take the elements that Herm had placed, Carr, Flowers, Dorsey, Hali, Turk, Tank, Pollard, DJ, and all of them on the defensive side of the ball and he would turn them into what Herm wants, but not what Herm gets. Give Cowher this young team, a franchise quarterback, AND alot of money and make it happen. Marty would do a little bit more for this franchise to get it back to subpar play, but Cowher would revitalize everything. 1. Fire Herm, get Cowher. 2. Cowher gets rid of Herms staff and brings in his own. 3. Cowher gets the say in the draft, and trades up to get Matt Stafford/Sam Bradford, it will revitalize the franchise and put fans back in the stands. 4. If neither comes out, which would be kinda foolish considering the type of money they'd be turning down, then we're going to have to settle and we're SOL. Stafford/Bradford are the two best QB's coming out of the draft for the next two years, and to not get one of them would be unacceptable. Young defense + Franchise Quarterback + Cowher = What the Chiefs should be. Carl make it happen. And I know that this ticks off Mr. Claythan but sorry bro, it's the way things are. No Herm, and no Larry Johnson will help this team in the long run.
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10-05-2008, 03:19 PM	#2
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Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7293101	Then fire him, I don't care lol, I care about what we do this offseason more than anything.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Enough of the goddamn cock****ing rat shittenheimer coaching tree. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7293101	It's more a threatening statement than anything I dont care if they both get fired, but I can't threaten Clark cause.... well yeah lol.
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Pneuma Titles Suck Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $9798321	Cower is not the answer...He is conservative also. No one would even mention Cower if he didn't win his last Superbowl.
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KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	If Cowher brings us what he brought the Steelers....I'm in. Conservative? A little, but he would bring back the dominating D that so energizes Arrowhead, and I think we all would take that scenario right now. Those days were fun....Arrowhead was the place to be.
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