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Old 01-16-2009, 11:21 AM  
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Can someone explain positional value?

Obviously, I get the basic concept. Quarterback is the most important position, fullback is the least. But what about everything in between? Why is a left tackle more important than a left guard or right tackle? Why not take an LB with a top-5 pick? What is the general heirarchy of positions?

1. QB
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DE/DT/LT/HB?
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22. Fullback
23. Kicker
24. Punter


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Old 01-16-2009, 11:23 AM   #2
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Positional value is a concept where pro teams value certain positions more than others.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:23 AM   #3
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Just what position merits a #3 pick?
IMHO

Obvious:
QB
RB
LT

Maybe, depends on the player.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:24 AM   #4
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positional value is a concept where pro teams value certain positions more than others.
That's the part I understand. I was looking for a slightly more technical response.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:25 AM   #5
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A left tackle protects the QB's (most important position) blind side.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:25 AM   #6
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That's the part I understand. I was looking for a slightly more technical response.
From a technical perpective: It's similar to the hard drive being valued more than the mouse.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:26 AM   #7
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RB shouldn't be in the top 3 positions, IMO.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:28 AM   #8
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What a floating concept.

Positional value totally depends on where the team lacks.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:28 AM   #9
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RB shouldn't be in the top 3 positions, IMO.
This is kind of what I'm getting at. I would think your RB would be more valuable than your DT.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:28 AM   #10
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I don't think there is a technical response. Most coaches will say that the three most important positions on a team are QB, LOT and a pass rushing DE or OLB in a 3-4.

Aside from those three positions, I think the rest is open for debate (except as to FBs, punters and kicker).

If you look at previous drafts for guidance you'll see guards and centers usually aren't taken until later in the first round. MLBs usually go earlier than outside LBs (in a 4-3).
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:29 AM   #11
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Isn't this in reference to the pick Value? Say #1 is worth 3500 points and #2 is 3000 points and so on...it would take #32 (1000points) #17 overall(1800points) and #45 (700points) to equal #1
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:33 AM   #12
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LT is more important than LG because LT is normally matched up to protect the blind side of the QB, and is normally blocking 1 on 1 against the opposing teams most athletic DE that can line up wide and is also responsible for forcing the DE to the inside when you want to run to the outside. A LG normally just has to man up, and may have help from the C.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:33 AM   #13
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I'd say look at average salary by position, and that tells you all you need to know about "positional value".
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:35 AM   #14
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LT is more important than LG because LT is normally matched up to protect the blind side of the QB, and is normally blocking 1 on 1 against the opposing teams most athletic DE that can line up wide and is also responsible for forcing the DE to the inside when you want to run to the outside. A LG normally just has to man up, and may have help from the C.
Makes sense. So the QB is most important for obvious reasons.

That makes the left side of the line more important than the right.

Where do safeties and corners come in compared to LB and DL? Or is it just enough of a tossup that you go with need or BPA?
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:36 AM   #15
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I'd say look at average salary by position, and that tells you all you need to know about "positional value".

Exactly. And LT's are 2nd behind QB's, followed by the DE's the LT's are paid so much to block.
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