What does Jimmy Clausen's draft fall mean?

[jAZ]

To me it's a dramatic reflection of how crazy it is for any average-joe-fan to form any sort of deeply held opinions about any player in the draft.

None of us on this board - no matter how much college football we watch, no matter how many hours of (fill in the blank draft guru) we read/watch/listen to, no matter how many mock drafts we read, no matter how many mocks we create - possesses a fraction of the information available to a professional staff (any staff current or previous).

We don't have evaluations by professional scouts, doctors, psychologists or college coaches.

We don't have the full depth of understanding that a professional personnel staff has of the likely direction that FA will be taking, or the potential trade talks that might be happening in the background.

We don't have a detailed understanding of the financial and salary cap (or lack of) ramifications that all of the moves happen within.

We don't have the essential understanding of all of the above information within the context of an extensive and overarching personnel and coaching strategy.

We are almost never taking a 2-3 year view of talent acquisition strategy with each of the above in mind.

We are all prone to being subjected to the "group think" that develops in the media consuming world that we live in and that is driven largely by a handful of paid talking heads at the major networks.

Everything about the understanding that *all* of us have is superficial and 2nd- or 3rd-hand information at best.

So while I have no problem with average-joe-fan having our own opinions about what we thought was good or bad about the draft... I think it's completely crazy to put much weight in any opinion that any one of us have.

Anyone who takes themselves very seriously in their evaluations is way off the mark to begin with.

That Jimmy Clausen was seriously debated as a top-5 pick in the month prior to the draft and he was passed on by every team in the league and multiple times by about 1/2 the teams... says just about everything you need to know about the common wisdom the public holds... and the more informed wisdom that the pros hold.

[ClevelandBronco]

Tim Tebow and I agree with you.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by jAZ

That Jimmy Clausen was seriously debated as a top-5 pick in the month prior to the draft and he was passed on by every team in the league and multiple times by about 1/2 the teams... says just about everything you need to know about the common wisdom the public holds... and the more informed wisdom that the pros hold.

Unless a QB that multiple teams have passed on turns out to be a franchise QB. Luckily that has never ever happened so we don't have to deal the fact that maybe the informed wisdom of the pros isn't all it's cracked up to be.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It means the same thing Aaron Rodgers' draft fall meant:

Most GMs are ****ing stupid. There's a reason why the same 6 teams are good every year.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'd just like to point out how stunningly stupid jaz's attempt to rationalize his fall with the cap is.

1) There is no cap
2) Once you fall out of the top 10 picks, cap impact for players is negligable, and by the 25th pick, an outright bargain.

[SPATCH]

I think his immaturity put a lot of people off... he is not a strong leader

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It means the same thing Aaron Rodgers' draft fall meant:

Most GMs are ****ing stupid. There's a reason why the same 6 teams are good every year.

It means that the difference between college and the pros is so massive that projecting the ability of a given player to successfully make the transition is such a crap shoot that it's insane for even a professional staff to have the certainty that most drafturbators around here have with a 1/50th of the knowledge.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'd just like to point out how stunningly stupid jaz's attempt to rationalize his fall with the cap is.

1) There is no cap
2) Once you fall out of the top 10 picks, cap impact for players is negligable, and by the 25th pick, an outright bargain.

Did you read my post? "salary cap (or lack of)"

[Hammock Parties]

This is the True Fan manifesto.

Short version: WE'RE DUMB, PIOLI IS SMART.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Did you read my post? "salary cap (or lack of)"

1) We do have information about that
2) There are no ramifications


Again, you should never post about football. Ever.

[Hammock Parties]

GMs and coaches do dumb ****ing things, all the ****ing time:

[jAZ]

And to be clear, I didn't say Clausen fell because of cap impact. I said that Clausen's fall shows how little average joe fan knows about the decision making that goes on at any professional organization. And that there are a bunch of factors (cap being one of them) that are evaluated in depth and combination within a professional organization... but aren't and quite literally can't be by average joe fan.

So average joe fan shouldn't take them selves and their opinions so seriously given this fact.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

1) We do have information about that
2) There are no ramifications


Again, you should never post about football. Ever.

Please, settle down, read more carefully and stop distorting my statements to rationalize your views.

[BossChief]

It means we should just never bring up his name again.

[ClevelandBronco]

Say his name. Say Nicky.