Football Coaches Join Players In Fighting Lockout

listopencil · 12:28 AM

NFL Coaches Association has filed an amicus brief supporting players written and filed by a Duke law professor, Barak D. Richman. The coaches seem to be strongly supporting the players, and claim that the NFL is ‘avoiding’ the Sherman Act.

The coaches - both head and assistant - go on to say that "New coaches especially need time with players, which is why league rules normally permit new coaching staffs to organize two additional minicamps with players over the summer." It goes on to point out that, "This offseason, NFL teams hired an unusually large number of new head coaches with no previous head coaching experience, each of whom-along with their assistants-face a steep learning curve & desperately need this time to prepare their teams." The coaches then cite irreparable harm, and say that: "Damages would not be an adequate remedy for NFL coaches who suffer from the NFL’s illegal group boycott." The coaches' brief also includes charts that show the uptick in coaches fired after two years, and after three years from 2001 to '10.

While this is hardly a major game-changer in the situation, it does show that the head coaches are willing to challenge the statements of the owners in court. Increasingly, fans are turning against both sides, wondering why they can’t split up $9 billion. The coaches are showing a desire for reason and to be given a chance to be permitted to do their jobs, and I fully support that position, and hope that it brings some small level of order to this increasingly pointless circumstance.

Doc Bear May 25, 2011 8:23 PM
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**Rausch** · 05-26-2011, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

While this is hardly a major game-changer in the situation, it does show that the head coaches are willing to challenge the statements of the owners in court.

Uh.........I think it's a pretty big deal.

listopencil · 05-26-2011, 12:23 AM

This looks like one of those "the ball's in your court" kind of moves but they make a good point. The quality of play absolutely will degrade given less preparation and Head Coaches don't have a big grace period before success is expected.

listopencil · 05-26-2011, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Uh.........I think it's a pretty big deal.

Just to be clear, the text in the OP is taken from an article on It's All Over Fat Man! None of that is my opinion. I'll edit it to prevent any misunderstanding.

**Rausch** · 05-26-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Just to be clear, the text in the OP is taken from an article on It's All Over Fat Man! None of that is my opinion. I'll edit it to prevent any misunderstanding.

Yeah, I got that...

listopencil · 05-26-2011, 12:32 AM

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Yeah, I got that...

I think it's a big deal too. I don't recall the last time that the coaches stood against the owners, as two separate groups, on any important issue. I tend to think of the owner, the GM and the Head Coach as the "Front Office". I know that's it not really that simple but I do tend to think of them as one unit.

**Rausch** · 05-26-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I think it's a big deal too. I don't recall the last time that the coaches stood against the owners, as two separate groups, on any important issue. I tend to think of the owner, the GM and the Head Coach as the "Front Office". I know that's it not really that simple but I do tend to think of them as one unit.

Exactly.

And HC's are so much more replaceable than players.

Even coaches than win SB's get fired quickly. QB's that win SB's don't...

**bevischief** · 05-26-2011, 06:17 AM

About time. Why did it take this long for them to speak up?

**MahiMike** · 05-26-2011, 06:21 AM

This surprised me. Coaches are on the front line and are already on the hot seat every year. I wouldn't want to tick off the hand that feeds me.

Marcellus · 05-26-2011, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

This surprised me. Coaches are on the front line and are already on the hot seat every year. I wouldn't want to tick off the hand that feeds me.

This X100. This is a career ending type move if you are pushing it.

It's likely most coaches aren't involved in this.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-26-2011, 11:13 AM

On the one hand, surprised that coaches would stand up to their "bosses."

But it's a very valid point. Coaches aren't in a union and can be fired for poor performance. And owners locking out players most certainly affects their performance. Especially new coaches. Another reason why I don't understand how anyone can justify the lockout.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-26-2011, 11:14 AM

I also tend to think this is going to be huge in the court of public opinion for the players. Players are viewed as selfish and overpaid, and I personally believe that's largely out of jealousy because they get paid to play a game they love. Coaches are a lot more similar to us as workers, and I don't think anyone has ever made the claim that they're overpaid if they do good work.

vailpass · 05-26-2011, 11:27 AM

Interesting. I'll wait to hear the whole story, including who is specifically involved, reported by a credible source.

sedated · 05-26-2011, 11:39 AM

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Interesting. I'll wait to hear the whole story, including who is specifically involved, reported by a credible source.

itsalloverfatman.com isn't credible enough for you?

vailpass · 05-26-2011, 11:53 AM

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itsalloverfatman.com isn't credible enough for you?

I didn't mean to impugn the fatman. Maybe I should have said "confirmed by a second, major source".

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listopencil Immanentize The Eschaton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In Partibus Infidelium Casino cash: $2225880	Coaches Join Players In Fighting Lockout NFL Coaches Association has filed an amicus brief supporting players written and filed by a Duke law professor, Barak D. Richman. The coaches seem to be strongly supporting the players, and claim that the NFL is ‘avoiding’ the Sherman Act. The coaches - both head and assistant - go on to say that "New coaches especially need time with players, which is why league rules normally permit new coaching staffs to organize two additional minicamps with players over the summer." It goes on to point out that, "This offseason, NFL teams hired an unusually large number of new head coaches with no previous head coaching experience, each of whom-along with their assistants-face a steep learning curve & desperately need this time to prepare their teams." The coaches then cite irreparable harm, and say that: "Damages would not be an adequate remedy for NFL coaches who suffer from the NFL’s illegal group boycott." The coaches' brief also includes charts that show the uptick in coaches fired after two years, and after three years from 2001 to '10. While this is hardly a major game-changer in the situation, it does show that the head coaches are willing to challenge the statements of the owners in court. Increasingly, fans are turning against both sides, wondering why they can’t split up $9 billion. The coaches are showing a desire for reason and to be given a chance to be permitted to do their jobs, and I fully support that position, and hope that it brings some small level of order to this increasingly pointless circumstance. Doc Bear May 25, 2011 8:23 PM http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...ghting-lockout Last edited by listopencil; 05-26-2011 at 12:28 AM..
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bevischief .... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere Kansas Casino cash: $8659352 VARSITY	About time. Why did it take this long for them to speak up?
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2104497	On the one hand, surprised that coaches would stand up to their "bosses." But it's a very valid point. Coaches aren't in a union and can be fired for poor performance. And owners locking out players most certainly affects their performance. Especially new coaches. Another reason why I don't understand how anyone can justify the lockout.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2104497	I also tend to think this is going to be huge in the court of public opinion for the players. Players are viewed as selfish and overpaid, and I personally believe that's largely out of jealousy because they get paid to play a game they love. Coaches are a lot more similar to us as workers, and I don't think anyone has ever made the claim that they're overpaid if they do good work.
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vailpass Psycho Bag Of Squanch Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9594244	Interesting. I'll wait to hear the whole story, including who is specifically involved, reported by a credible source.
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